theguesser

It's extremely difficult to deny a VP from an 8 year administration, if they want to be the nominee. Nixon got it, Bush Sr got it, Gore got it. I can't find one in modern history who didn't. If Biden had run in 2016, he would have been very difficult to deny. The only way would be from an outsider who got very popular, like a Bernie, only younger.

How was it possibly "her turn" in 2016 over the sitting VP, from a highly successful administration, if he had wanted to run? If Biden had chosen to run, she would have had little support, other than being a woman. But women loved Obama, and would have supported his VP. She had ZERO chance if Biden ran. She would have had no constituency. That's a stone cold Fact. She couldn't run as an outsider, since she had been part of the administration. What would her platform possibly have been? Only an outsider like Bernie would have had any kind of success against Biden, but like 2020, he would have been destroyed by Biden, much more than he was beat by Hillary. 2016 Biden was and would have been a far stronger candidate than 2020 Biden, and 2020 Biden swamped Bernie.

He was an absolute nobody who came out of left field beat her, when it was indeed her turn, and she had all the party help. He was a rockstar, but she was always despised by lots of D's.

He didn't run because of Beau's death, PERIOD, end of story, and even then, he said he came close, but just couldn't put his family or himself through it. It's ALWAYS the VP's turn next up if they want it, unless the POTUS was a failure. That was clearly not the case with Obama, who was and is revered in the D party.

This is such absolute BS. Until Beau died, there was ZERO doubt among the party that if Biden wanted to run, he was the lock 2016 nominee. She could no possibly have beaten Biden, She was considered the auto successor in 2008. I made lots betting against that, and that was before anyone even knew Obama was running, because I always knew how despised she was by many in the party.

Absolute BS. The party already showed what they thought of her when she couldn't beat an unknown new Senator from Illinois in 2008, when it actually was "her turn". Her turn was over after that. . The party would have been behind Biden., as the sitting VP from an extremely popular administration. She would have been looked at, accurately, as trying to rob him of his rightful place as next in line. The only reason she became the party insider choice in 2016, was because Bernie was the opponent, and he scares them to death.

The ones fervent enough to go to his super spreader events. They are not playing with even a pinochle deck.

Laughable. Biden was a popular VP from a successful administration, that was still all there. If Beau didn't die, and he chose to run, he would have swamped her. She would have dropped early. THAT's a Fact.

Biden would have destroyed her. It wouldn't have been a contest. She would have dropped before Bernie. It would have been Biden against Bernie. At that point, Biden was still running on all cylinders, and was a beloved figure. Now he's clearly lost lots off his fastball, and is just the vehicle to get the Idiot out.

Frank Lutz is an irrelevant self promoter. I saw focus groups of "undecideds" where they all want to Biden. It's a farce. There are no undecideds, except for those saying they are, to get facetime.

This is so out of touch with reality, it's beyond laughable, but coming from the same moron that lost "millions" on his anyone and everyone but Kamala VP betting, no surprise. You'd think that would humble him, but he's too arrogant and stupid to have learned anything.

The stars of the debate were the rules and Welker, who was great, and a model for future moderators. Biden had a great first hour, destroying the Idiot in pretty much every way. The last 20 minutes or so, he was out of gas, running on fumes, and done. The oil statements, while correct policy, was much like Hillary's statement on Coal, also correct policy, but a bad, unforced error, that the uneducated can and will jump on, and the only thing in the debate which "may" hurt him. But reality is, the debate changed little. Pretty much nothing at this point can. The odds are largely unchanged, as witnessed by Pinnacle's chart before, during, and after the debate. Unless there's massive fraud and cheating by the R's, which is very, very possible, this is a done deal. 10/23 6:04 am-211 10/23 5:04 am-214 10/23 4:54 am-198 10/23 4:37 am-202 10/23 4:33 am-205 10/23 4:16 am-209 10/23 4:14 am-213 10/23 4:03 am-197 10/23 2:12 am-201 10/23 1:32 am-205 10/23 12:46 am-200 10/22 11:58 pm-196 10/22 11:55 pm-192 10/22 11:02 pm-189 10/22 10:50 pm-192 10/22 10:45 pm-188 10/22 10:44 pm-182 10/22 10:21 pm-185 10/22 10:19 pm-188 10/22 10:04 pm-191 10/22 9:44 pm-194 10/22 9:42 pm-190 10/22 8:26 pm-205

You Cultists are insane. The normal, sane folks are largely for Biden because they have brains. That's why the Idiot loves the uneducated morons, i.e his base. Hint to the Stupid. There are NO undecideds.

Laughable. Hillary was indeed a pathetically bad candidate. No D candidate in recent memory had her negatives within her own party. She was at best tolerated, but largely despised.

Tannehill has been great as a Titan, no doubt. The only thing keeping him from being a top MVP candidate is Derrick Henry. And Vice Versa.

Unbelievable that the Fascists won't even let Troy and Buck have an opinion. The Fascist snowflakes don't want Politics in sports, except when it's Politics they agree with.

HYSTERICALLY Funny and ironic. Thanks for the early morning laugh.

They are still the division favorite. Looks like 6 games might win it, and they all play each other. Next week YUGE. 1-5 NYG @ 1-4-1 Philly, and 2-4 Dallas @ 1-5 Wash.

They're already in one Cult, feel very comfortable in another.

Is the prize IAG to flee to the mountains with?

Loma should move back down. He's not the same guy at 135.

He looks like Ultimo Dragon with all those belts:

He picked Loma, and didn't wanna be wrong.

Yeah, she just gave any close round to Lopez. Plausible. But probably not a great score.

Good scoring. It really was a blowout.