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Really? What does BetCascade have to offer? Lenny is still running this deposit only Book. He must be using the Robbie McPhail handbook.

Yeah. Just don't parlay them.

Exactly. Robbin' Robbie Mac"Fail" inventing new ways to drain your balance. He doesn't miss a trick.

If you're smart enough to figure out what your parlay SHOULD pay, you're considered sharp.

"i'm guessing most or all of the people with issues from the 1vice conversion have come out way ahead anyway" Yeah that excuses the stealing that occurred. As long as they don't take back more than you're up it's okay.

Congrats. If you keep winning, they may offer to move you to their VIP site---topgunsports.eu You should pass on this offer.

Got to believe Robbin' Robbie has a roll in this mess. He has a long rap sheet of theft and deception going back over a decade. Looks like history repeating with similarities to his earlier scams: SBR Bill Dozer reports:10.11.2005 SBRforum poster AK reports that Bet33 (SBR rating F) is a new venture from known sportsbook stiff, Robbie Mcphail. SBR has confirmed this to be true. Robbie, formerly the owner of ApexSportsbook (SBR rating F-), is introducing himself as the General Manager of Bet33 and is now using the name Zach. Players should steer clear of any sportsbook that is using the services of this scam artist. SBR Bill Dozer reports08.12.2005 BetOnline (SBR rating D+) using stiff bookmaker Robbie Mcphail and old Apex Sportsbook customer list to solicit new players. Multiple players have complained that Robbie is again dialing for deposits; this time, on behalf of the relatively unknown BetOnline.com. The operation is about one year old and is starting its first marketing campaign. Players should be weary of a sportsbook that chooses to use an individual with a soiled reputation to launch its brand. SBR Bill Dozer reports:02.18.2005 SBR upgrades PlatinumSportsbets from D- to D after most recent conversation with ownership. PSB states that they have rid themselves of stiff ex-bookmakers, Paul and Robbie M of the Apex scam, and have yet to be the subject of a complaint. SBR has expressed concern about PlatinumSportsbets’ business model and their ability to succeed offering discount lines priced at -105 along with deposit bonuses. PSB is new to the post-up business, yet is aggressively marketing to sharp players via betting forums and plans to join the DonBest premium line service. PSB has experience in the credit business and utilized service provider, Datawager. SBR Bill Dozer reports:02.15.2005 Robbie McPhail, formerly of Apex (SBR rating F-) recruiting players to join his latest sportsbook, 2betBFL (not rated). 2betBFL functions as a credit operation but Robbie is said to be contacting his former players soliciting post-up deposits. All players should be aware that Robbie still owes many players from the failed Apex. Robbie McPhail,12.11.2004 who stiffed players as the owner of the defunct Apex Sportsbook, is using the Apex website to promote his sportsbook affiliates. ApexSportsbook.com features ads for Pinnacle Sports, Hollywood107, Sportingbet, SBGglobal, Cybersportsbook and Mybookie. SBR is asking these sportsbooks to withhold any commission payment to Robbie or to work out an arrangement where the stiffed players can begin to receive payment. SBR will be able to provide a list of players owed. Robbie’s new sportsbook, PlatinumSportsbets (SBR rating F) is also promoted on this site as well as his other sites which include Askthebookie.com. SBR Bill Dozer reports:09.06.2004 It is confirmed that ownership of the defunct Apex Sportsbook is managing Platinum SportBets (SBR rating F+). The main figure in the Apex disaster, Robbie McPhail, is introducing himself as Platinum SB’s customer service manager. SBR cautions players of this new site, www.4platinumsportsbook.com, and its excessive promotional offers. SBR Bill Dozer reports: PlatinumSB (SBR rating D-)06.29.2004 employs former owners of now defunct Apex Sportsbook to run internet marketing department. PlatinumSB.com is planning to open to all post up players in mid July dealing -105 lines. They vow to pay all players who were granted an Apex bailout but only after 30 day hold and 3x roll over. SBR expresses concern over post up inexperience and the employment of Apex stiffs. SBR Bill Dozer reports:06.23.2004 APEX Sportsbook (SBR rating F-) closing its doors. Robbie, the owner, is moving “square" players to PlatinumSB.com where he has a commission loss sheet. He is also applying a rollover to their funds. Robbie also states that he has access to player funds but is using it for other sportsbook marketing endeavors. Larger players will likely not see their funds past any bailout possibilities. Robbie calls this "a career choice" and admits he would not be doing this if players could physically reach him. SBR Bill Dozer reports:06.23.2004 Apex Sportsbook (SBR rating F-) fails to make 2nd payments on installment plans. Amounts past due range from $250 to $400. SBR mail bag:06.11.2004 Player reports BetOnSports (SBR rating D+) that he is being slow-paid for $750, SportsInteraction (SBR rating D-) asking player to send in his Western Union deposit receipt from January 2003, before they will process his payout. Complaints from Gold Palace (SBR rating F-) Internet1x2 (SBR rating F) Apex (SBR rating F+) and BetCSI (SBR rating D-) also continue to pour in. SBR Bill Dozer reports:06.08.2004 Players request that SBR monitor Apex Sportsbook (SBR rating F+) payment plan. SBR contacts Apex who agreed to provide disclosure of balances and payment plans to SBR for all players that request that SBR monitor payment plan. If you are owed money by Apex and would like SBR to monitor your payout plan write to Bill Dozer at [email protected]. SBR rates Apex Sportsbook:06.04.2004 - Robbie from Apex Sportsbook (SBR Rating F+) has presented documentation with the figures of his total turnover and percentages of hold. SBR believes this is a book that has been encouraging sharp action as of late and it seems obvious they do not have the ability to handle this type of action. The latest marketing moves are aimed to amend this severe leak of revenue. As of today, Robbie form Apex has stated his operation owes $100,000 to a group of 20-25 sharp players. He has further stated that all these outstanding balances will be paid out in 2 weeks. SBR to re-evaluate Apex situation in 2 weeks.

So now Tommy is free to screw over this big winner while 1V and AB can claim no responsibility. Great business relationship between Tirade Tommy, Stiffin' Griffin and Robbin' Robbie.

Agree. I think SBR contacted Griffin, got some type of payment promise from him, and in return deleted the complaint.

I'm guessing 1V agreed to put that guy on the monthly payment plan, too. Luckily he stumbled onto SBR, else Stiffin' Griffin would have stolen his funds.

I understand why you're being told this, but it's not that hard to connect the dots to Griffin and 1Vice. The guy posted that he dealt with both Griffin and Tommy. He posted his complaint in a 1-Vice thread, and SBR promised to get back to him after 1-Vice responds. Sounds to me like 1V is involved.

Exactly, and that's the point. 1 Vice moves its big winners, like this guy with a 5 figure balance, over to their obscure VIP site Topgunssports. That way they can distance themselves from the slow pay/ no pay complaints from clients owed larger amounts. Just another dirty tactic used by Stiffin' Griffin and Robbin' Robbie.

Looking forward to the facts coming out too.

If I read the post correctly, 1V moved him over to this portal as a "VIP". So now they can screw over on payment because it's now a 3rd party?

Just saw this post at SBR: "I am having issues being paid out. I deal with Griffin and Tommy, cleared my bonus, requested a payout and Tommy, who I mainly deal with now is giving me the run around. I have won a ton of money from their site, requested 5 figure payouts, and haven't seen a dime. They are now limiting my action now that I have been winning. When I was losing initially, they would respond immediately. Now, can't get a hold of them at all. I didn't want to have to post this on here, but I cannot hold off any longer. I was supposed to be paid out over 14 days ago and haven't received anything. Thoughts on how to be paid anyone? Their customer service on Topgunsports.eu doesn't even pick up the phone. Seems super shady now. (BTW, this is the portal they moved me over to since I was such a VIP)... great VIP treatment. I would refer everyone to their site if they paid out, but unfortunately, have to go the opposite route for now." Reply With Quote

It still bothers me that SBR never took any responsibility for the B.I. disaster they helped create. Like Trump, the words "I'm sorry" is not in their vocabulary.

I agree with you about the gorilla incident being parental neglect, despite no charges ever filed. However it's quite harsh to blame the parents in this one. Do you think charges should be considered against this Nebraska couple, or is the loss of their 2-year old son sufficient?

Bovada is giving 50% bonus on re-ups? Is there a promo code needed for that?

Did the check bounce? Is the issue with your bank? The reason I ask is because I get Canadian checks from Heritage and Bookmaker that always clear in a day or two. Agree with you that Bitcoin is the way to go now.

Agree that many posters have shared their experiences, myself included. My point is about TGF management focusing on a 5D non issue and burying the lead regarding 1-Vice. Where's the TGF public service piece on the 1V situation (which is much more serious by comparison)?

What a joke that TGF sounds the alarms about 5D, but ignores the more serious 1-Vice issue. Pretty sure 5D will be around a year from now,but not so sure about 1V. SBR had its blind spot with BetIslands and the same can be said about the TGF/1Vice relationship. TGF's time would be better spent telling it's posters to avoid the Stiffin Griffin/ Robbin' Robbie fiasco than advising us to get out of 5-Dimes.

It's actually 20x on the deposit only, so basically just 10x overall. Your rollover is $6000 which is easy to do at Bookmaker, I wouldn't hesitate to take that offer--congrats.

Is that part of the deal, you have to thank Griff when getting your own money? He'll probably want a BJ for your next installment.

Agree. It was last great when a Clinton was in the White House--Deja Vu?

Got the same email today, despite repeatedly asking to be taken off their mailings: From: Griffin <[email protected]>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 11:58 AM Subject: 100% BONUS AT 1VICE SPORTSBOOK Contact me right away to find out how to get your 100% bonus and free ncaab bracket. ThanksGriffin