richsox24 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 are there really bonus/contest whores here who are calling out Hedge for being a bonus whore? Some of the same guys bitching about Hedge played in the exact same contests.And didnt some of the contests he participated in require a $500 deposit or higher just to enter? They werent just free contests Thats what makes stealing 60% of his balance even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Hedge r u allowed to play at hrwager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 So there were people that settled for less than full balance? There is always another weird wacky story with 1Vice. So as I read it, Robbie/Zack calls up Hedge and give him an offer apparently sensing an opportunity to get out of the contest winnings. Hedge in early days of situation decided to take what he could get and forfeit the contest winnings to get paid. Then Griff accuses Hedge of going behind his back with his "new partner." If you are a partner, how are you not responsible for the partner's actions? Griff acts like the guy double-dealed on him and walked away from a full payout Regardless of how this situation got arranged, Robbie/Zack and Griff are responsible for the full balance that RDG assumed by doing Griff a solid. Anything else is a stiff even if the person gets conned into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is a lesson for RDG in why you don't pay full price for a bankrupt company. You buy it for 50c on the dollar or less. When you pay full price before it goes BK, you assume ALL the responsibilities and that maybe means you go BK. RDG now has to pay out the whole book and just might have to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Hedge r u allowed to play at hrwager?No, I won my limit at HR Wager and also at America's Bookie before that (probably why I wasn't allowed to play at the new 1V). I was treated very well at both Books, getting paid in full by both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Major weakness of the Griff case here is that he has stated publicly that he would have paid Hedge out in full if he had not double-dealed with partner. In for a dollar, in for a pound here boys. Griff is responsible for Robbie/Zack and vice versa. There is no dealing with one or the other. You either pay out in full or you stiff. Can't have it both ways. They want to pretend RDG "assumed' these balances. That is not what happened. RDG gave Griff money as a cash infusion. They bought in for full price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If you get right down to the specifics of what has happened here, Robbie/Zack got Hedge dollars of additional ownership by stiffing him. Griffin does not want to give up Hedge dollars of ownership to pay Hedge. Robbie/Zack ripped off Hedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 How about some wild speculation? Why not? Robbie/Zack and Griffin came to an agreement on terms. Robbie/Zack saw that if he could stiff Hedge that would be dollars in his pocket so he got proactive. Now Griff is pissed because if he pays off Hedge, he is paying twice. There is no honor among thieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 what is the huge problem here? hedge made a ton of money at hrwager, probably made some nice money at americasbookie, and now probably came out way ahead at 1vice hard to say he got "stiffed" when he was sharp enough to have no real chance of losing at any of those places this kind of stuff comes with the territory at some point... I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose gardenAlong with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 what is the huge problem here? hedge made a ton of money at hrwager, probably made some nice money at americasbookie, and now probably came out way ahead at 1vice hard to say he got "stiffed" when he was sharp enough to have no real chance of losing at any of those places this kind of stuff comes with the territory at some point... I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose gardenAlong with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometimeThat was my opinion to begin with. But then I realized the circumstances. Griffin is still running and profiting off the book. So any reduction in value of the balances is Griffin stealing out of the book. In the banking biz that is control fraud and you go to jail -- or used to. Now you get a bonus. This is manipulation and all the money goes in Griff's pocket. It ain't right. He got beat fair and square. He did have to get bailed out so it is hard to have sympathy because they should have know better. But with this deal which is a sweetheart for him, there is no excuse for shorting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The really scary thing here is that RDG seems to be dumber than 1Vice. This thing is a disaster and they are totally blowing it and have been from Day 1. When it comes to payouts. it was a bailout. When it comes to deposits, it is a change of ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 what is the huge problem here? hedge made a ton of money at hrwager, probably made some nice money at americasbookie, and now probably came out way ahead at 1vice hard to say he got "stiffed" when he was sharp enough to have no real chance of losing at any of those places this kind of stuff comes with the territory at some point... I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose gardenAlong with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometimeNot sure what my past success at other Books has to do with 1V. FWIW, I'm down lifetime at Northbet. How should they figure into this in your opinion? No real chance at losing??? Come on Mike, how long have been gambling? There's risk on every bet you make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Mike's opinion is based on the fact that he wasn't allowed to participate in the NBA promo. If he had been and won a few bucks he would be singing a different tune. I think he admitted as much a while back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsox24 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 When it comes to payouts. it was a bailout. When it comes to deposits, it is a change of ownership.Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Just make the payouts. Put the big balances on a payout schedule. Stop with all the hiding what is going on and cutting different deals. Just put people on a plan and get it over with. If you pay people out, the cloud will blow over. These threads are a killer. They are all unnecessary. If they had done it the right way, 1Vice would be considered as solid as AB and nobody would have thought too much of it. The way it is going now, it is going to go to zero. They don't seem to have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsox24 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 what is the huge problem here? hedge made a ton of money at hrwager, probably made some nice money at americasbookie, and now probably came out way ahead at 1vice hard to say he got "stiffed" when he was sharp enough to have no real chance of losing at any of those places this kind of stuff comes with the territory at some point... I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose gardenAlong with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometimeI don't agree with this. Yes, bonuses/promos were good and anyone with a clue could have profitted. But....Example...5dimes offers 10% extra in their race book. If i continuously beat them betting races with the extra 10%, they have every right to cut me off. They have no right, however, to steal 60% of my balance....and nor would they. Hedge didn't do anything wrong, yet 1vice/AB feel its ok to steal 7k of his 12k balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Mike's opinion is based on the fact that he wasn't allowed to participate in the NBA promo. If he had been and won a few bucks he would be singing a different tune. I think he admitted as much a while back i agree with this for the most part, all our opinions are based on our own perceptions/experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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milwaukee mike Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 i'm sure nobody wants hedge to be stiffed but hedge, you're a smart guy, why don't you post more often? seems like the only times are to kiss george's ass for giving you 10k, kiss griffin's ass, and then get mad at griffin here are the last 4 threads you posted in... 1) this one2) $150 FP Credited--Thanks 1-Vice28 September 2015 - 07:19 PMI just wanted to thank 1-Vice for the $150 free play I recently won in a contest--it was just added to my account. Also thanks to Griff for doubling my limits. He recently said limits could be adjusted by simply emailing him. I took him up on it and I'm back to nickle action on straights. Much appreciated. 3) ? for Heritage clients18 September 2015 - 11:24 AMIs there a "Get out of your bet at Half Time" promo on the Idaho St/ Boise St game tonight? I thought I saw this early in the week, but there's no mention of it now at Heritage's site. Questioning whether I ever really saw it after all.4) Thanks 1-Vice: Free Chips to go with Free "Juice"24 March 2015 - 01:37 PMGriff has been very generous this month. First, he offers an unheard of bonus of 300% FP. Then he tops it with an extra 20% cash. But wait there's more--FREE JUICE on all the tourney games is also included. And just when you think it can't get any better, he sends me $100 worth of Frito Lay products (contest win). Who else does this? I got Duritos out the wazoo (the chips, not the poster), and I have 1-Vice to thank. MUCH APPRECIATED, GRIFF!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plommer Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The accountant bringing the heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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