WVU Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I don't think so, unless I misread it. Certainly possible I'm wrong, and if that's the case then it's cheating. The way I read it though was the Casino was using bad cards. In baccarat you can arrange the cards as you please - that's within the rules - so the bad deck was exploited that way.That's exactly what happened and no you can't even touch the baccarat cards. This wasn't even close to a "tell" as you put it. This was cheating with the help of staff whether they knew it or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 For Spankie and Brick who seem to think nothing is stealing..... If I'm having a garage sale with everything spread out on my driveway but leave my garage open and then go inside to take a piss and leave my 10yr old nephew outside to watch things and somebody goes in my garage and grabs my new golf clubs and surfboard and ask my nephew how much and he gets them for $10 bucks and leaves before I come back... Is that stealing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRevolver Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 For Spankie and Brick who seem to think nothing is stealing..... If I'm having a garage sale with everything spread out on my driveway but leave my garage open and then go inside to take a piss and leave my 10yr old nephew outside to watch things and somebody goes in my garage and grabs my new golf clubs and surfboard and ask my nephew how much and he gets them for $10 bucks and leaves before I come back... Is that stealing? If you're dumb enough to leave a 10-year-old in charge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 For Spankie and Brick who seem to think nothing is stealing..... If I'm having a garage sale with everything spread out on my driveway but leave my garage open and then go inside to take a piss and leave my 10yr old nephew outside to watch things and somebody goes in my garage and grabs my new golf clubs and surfboard and ask my nephew how much and he gets them for $10 bucks and leaves before I come back... Is that stealing?Ask McIrish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfo Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Ask McIrishDamn Boat, he really teed that one up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 If you're dumb enough to leave a 10-year-old in charge...Ok now I have to hold my piss because Brick and Spankie are window shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAKEPEAVY21 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 the casinos AGREED to his terms would the casinos give him back his money if he lost? He got freerolled plain and simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 the casinos AGREED to his terms would the casinos give him back his money if he lost? He got freerolled plain and simple i would agree with you if he had a decent chance of losing no chance of losing a game when you know what the cards are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Yes. I bet bad lines all the time. Thats what they offered me. here's a good one for you in bahamas bowl at bookmaker WILL THERE BE OVERTIME? 500 USD * 12:00 PM Yes -900 No +450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 What he did wasn't cheating, it's too bad, so sad for the stupid casino. Having said that Ivey is a scumbag for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 the casinos AGREED to his terms would the casinos give him back his money if he lost? He got freerolled plain and simpleYup. Fuck that casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Yup. Fuck that casino. a casino isn't just a pile of raw materials it's stockholders/bondholders/employees... all of whom ivey stole from what if he stole $100 million and the casino had to close, laying everyone off? where does the line get drawn this is an interesting case, a lot of smart people on each side of the argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 a casino isn't just a pile of raw materials it's stockholders/bondholders/employees... all of whom ivey stole from what if he stole $100 million and the casino had to close, laying everyone off? where does the line get drawn this is an interesting case, a lot of smart people on each side of the argument I'm not arguing whether it's stealing or not. The casino knew what was going on, they accomdated all his requests and let him continue to play. They were clearly freerolling him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'm not arguing whether it's stealing or not. The casino knew what was going on, they accomdated all his requests and let him continue to play. They were clearly freerolling him. in the hopes that they could take him to court, waste a ton of time and money on legal fees, and then hope that he gave the $10 million back? that doesn't make any sense i think the casino employees/management were too ignorant on edge sorting to realize that they could tell what the cards were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Fuck Ivey. He's a shot taker. Getting what he deserves here. If there is any debate about the shadiness of what he did, then that speaks for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwd Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 That's exactly what happened and no you can't even touch the baccarat cards. This wasn't even close to a "tell" as you put it. This was cheating with the help of staff whether they knew it or not You can touch the cards after you've bet. What should have not happened is pulling the cards out of the shoe prior to the bet being placed. I dont think they supplied their own cards but rather they knew the cards were manufactured by a particular company and they knew of the flaws. their requests should not have been granted but also doesnt make them cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Got to go find the whole write up on this. There must have been a lot of table searching and practicing behind the scenes to get good at it.I would like to give all parties involved truth serum and find out if both sides were crooked. But, Ivey must be the greediest pig in the world. Have to find out what the buy in was? Why couldn't he win a million - lose a little back - if the dealer turns the shoe the wrong way - stop playing - change the cards - change the dealer - leave. Wonder what he played per hand and how much he tipped the dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAKEPEAVY21 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Fuck Ivey. He's a shot taker. Getting what he deserves here. If there is any debate about the shadiness of what he did, then that speaks for itself. I would agree had the casino not agreed to his requests. It should be their problem, not his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I would agree had the casino not agreed to his requests. It should be their problem, not his.Did he disclose the advantage he had by using rigged cards? I think this has to be considered. Casino has to assume cards are clean. If not, deal has to be void. Money returned to casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAKEPEAVY21 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Did he disclose the advantage he had by using rigged cards? I think this has to be considered. Casino has to assume cards are clean. If not, deal has to be void. Money returned to casino.Who knows but that falls on the pit boss. Did they inspect the cards? I'm sure they did since he was playing for big money. They fucked up, they dropped the ball..I fail to see how this is Ivey's problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwd Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Did he disclose the advantage he had by using rigged cards? I think this has to be considered. Casino has to assume cards are clean. If not, deal has to be void. Money returned to casino. They knew exactly what they were doing and the only reason they caught onto them is because they realized who the lady is. Shes banned at many casinos for exposing this flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Who knows but that falls on the pit boss. Did they inspect the cards? I'm sure they did since he was playing for big money. They fucked up, they dropped the ball..I fail to see how this is Ivey's problem?He took a shot. He knew the risks. Now he's out 10 million. Id say he has a pretty big problem now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwd Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Who knows but that falls on the pit boss. Did they inspect the cards? I'm sure they did since he was playing for big money. They fucked up, they dropped the ball..I fail to see how this is Ivey's problem? They dont reuse cards in bacarrat. new unopened decks every time they fill the shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijoe066 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 They ruled he cheated but I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAKEPEAVY21 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 He took a shot. He knew the risks. Now he's out 10 million. Id say he has a pretty big problem now.yes, it's his problem that they freerolled him and now are crying since he buried them. they agreed to his requests and should man up and call it a hard lesson learned. fire the damn pit boss that was in charge and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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