roachman Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Definitely drew attention when you were pressing your bets that much. Was it single deck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Pit boss said I was already betting 3 hands which is max, pit boss said I can't advise $25 player bc it would be 4 hands I call Bs and I did boss said I broke rules and told me I had stop and go to another table u know y he did that bc I won 2 rounds black action And count was + 20 will report when I get back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 What happened was I told guy to hold 7 bc count was high vs 6 , told the guy I gtd his money , dealer and other players advise players all time told the boss I never heard it was rule to help players I am stuck 1800 but it a lot btr than 6 k I was in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 What casino? Heck I've seen dealers basically play the hands for the players, in search of a tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I think Cherokee has caught on to my act, fking pit boss stop me in the middle of shoe because I was advising a player on how to play his hand and I would gtd he win his $15 bet, I had betted 3 $500 hands and he said I could not play any more on this table and I could go to another table and play just because I was telling guy how to play his hand. Boss said 3 hands is the max hands I could play, since I advise the player he said I broke the rules and told me I had to stop. I had some monster swing hands. I had a hand where I had over 3k after splits and doubles, I split 10s vs dealer 6 caught three 20s and a AK and wanted to double it but boss said that you can`t double point total of 21, I argue that the posted rules say that you can double any 2 cards after splitting and do not say anything about not being able to 21. I argue to boss that I doubling 11 not 21 but he was very hostile and rude, any way dealer makes a 21 but if I could have double the A10 the dealer would have busted. That was a swing of over 6k. I had another big hand I big 2 $500 bet and made pat 20 and dealer flip a bj with Ace in the hole, I would max my insurance if the ace was up. I don't know what the NC law on barring card counters is but I know Vegas casinos can bar you. In AC, casino cannot bar you but they can flat bet you which mean you can only bet same amount or they can reshuffle which Resorts did to me after I won 5k in a shoe plus I bailed on full insurance 2 rounds with the dealer having ace up really piss off the dealer. I got a gambling hangover today, going to drag ass today at work but at least I recovered my 6k and netted $800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Holy shit you lost 6k after not being able to dbl 21 (11) and the dealer would have busted instead won? Damn that's a tuff pill (sit down LCD) to swallow... I need to learn this card counting shit..... I was never able to open the link on that book u learned from. Love the stories keep em coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Holy shit you lost 6k after not being able to dbl 21 (11) and the dealer would have busted instead won? Damn that's a tuff pill (sit down LCD) to swallow... I need to learn this card counting shit..... I was never able to open the link on that book u learned from. Love the stories keep em comingTeddy, you don't need to be a genius to count, just takes a lot practice, it comes second nature to me now I been studying card counting since high school using a an Atari 800 pc with Ken Uston software I am a math wiz, I aced all my statistics and probability classes at UNC-CH. I got the whole library of Arnold Synder Bj books. If you know how to download torrents go to pirate bay get the ebooks on bj. https://thepiratebay.org/search/blackjack/0/99/0 Even if you don't learn the system its got some interesting stories about Uston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I don't think they would care if you counted at some local card houses here because the players are the house for the most part and the actual house gets by on the $1 anti from the players.... Would be interesting to try but I know I shouldn't try with those 6-deck shoes at first would have to go to the Indian joints that have single deck but not sure what their policy is with counters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I don't think they would care if you counted at some local card houses here because the players are the house for the most part and the actual house gets by on the $1 anti from the players.... Would be interesting to try but I know I shouldn't try with those 6-deck shoes at first would have to go to the Indian joints that have single deck but not sure what their policy is with countersMost single decks games are not worth playing because they got terrible rules like paying 6-5 on BJ and no double after splits and double only on 11, no doubling soft hands, plus when you play a 6 deck shoe game when you do get into a favorable position you will get more hands if its not full table which I really don`t like playing. I played at a $15 table heads up all day Sunday. You also want the cutoff on back of the shoe to be no more than 1.5 decks because you want deep penetration. I have seen some casinos cut off 2 decks, most do 1.5 decks but I have seen some cut a deck, I tip the dealer if dealer pushes it back farther. Single decks and 2 decks pitch don`t have enough penetration to gain an advantage, they only deal a little beyond the middle of the deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Interesting I had no idea, always thought less was more......thanks for sharing.... Question......if given the chance to openly count cards is it something that is a 100% certainty of winning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Interesting I had no idea, always thought less was more......thanks for sharing.... Question......if given the chance to openly count cards is it something that is a 100% certainty of winning? over the long run YES if you can bet $10/hand when you're at a 1% disadvantage and $100/hand when you're at a 5% advantage then it's easy money but you'll have some down 3k sessions even at $100/hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 So if you went from $10 to $100 and the casino frowned on counters, how long before given the boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 So if you went from $10 to $100 and the casino frowned on counters, how long before given the boot? i was doing 5x bets here and got banned from blackjack on i think the 8th session... was warned a couple times before that only other place i got banned was the truck stop across from silverton, but i got enough heat at other places when i was doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I ask because there has to be hundreds of casinos nation wide right? Maybe 100 here just in California so if they let you clip them for $500? Before they booted you then on to the next casino and come back to that one a year from now, not like they would remember a $500 score....rinse and repeat That's why I asked about the certainty of winning, if that's the case and I had the skills I'd tour the country clipping casinos to pay my way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 i was doing 5x bets here and got banned from blackjack on i think the 8th session... was warned a couple times before that only other place i got banned was the truck stop across from silverton, but i got enough heat at other places when i was doing itHow's that work anyway, getting warned and then banned........give me a little play by play on that kind of encounter I'm curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monitor-Tan Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Interesting I had no idea, always thought less was more......thanks for sharing.... Question......if given the chance to openly count cards is it something that is a 100% certainty of winning? No, house rules are important and how much deck penetration the dealer gives after the shuffle is even more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 How's that work anyway, getting warned and then banned........give me a little play by play on that kind of encounter I'm curious... it's funny... like getting busted for shoplifting they take you in a room and try to scare you into not doing it again or like roachman the pit boss comes over and tells you stuff like not to adjust your bet size or they won't let you play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 i think you could still make a go of it cross country teddy, but the better way is to have at least 2 guys and have one just sit and play $10 all day while the other waits to get a text and plays big that's how all the teams did it... problem is the casinos catch on pretty quick so it would have to be hit and run at each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 over the long run YES if you can bet $10/hand when you're at a 1% disadvantage and $100/hand when you're at a 5% advantage then it's easy money but you'll have some down 3k sessions even at $100/handhow high does the count have to be to be getting a 5% advantage? I don't think you will ever get that advantage. Maybe 1-1.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 how high does the count have to be to be getting a 5% advantage? I don't think you will ever get that advantage. Maybe 1-1.5% deep in a shoe you can have a 10% advantage here's a chart with 87.5% penetration But look at this table, which shows the Hi-Opt I advantage for all true counts from 0 through +20, with 87.5% of the cards dealt out: True Count Player Advantage Point Value 0 -.38 - +1 .18 (.56) +2 .66 (.48) +3 1.13 (.47) +4 1.80 (.67) +5 2.22 (.42) +6 2.80 (.58) +7 3.32 (.52) +8 4.18 (.86) +9 4.67 (.49) +10 4.95 (.28) +11 5.78 (.83) +12 5.64 (-.14) +13 7.37 (1.73) +14 7.51 (.14) +15 7.32 (-.19) +16 9.51 (2.19) +17 7.59 (-1.92) +18 9.72 (2.13) +19 10.38 (.66) +20 10.07 (-.25) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 All casino games are independent of what happened in the past, Bj is dependent on what cards have been played out, so when all the small cards are gone, the odds actually swing in favor of the player making the player the favorite. All casinos bets you make the house has some edge except the pass line odds which is an even bet that why casinos don`t count your pass line odds towards your comps. All casino games are independent of what happened in the past, like the roulette tracking is BS. Bj is dependent on what cards have been played out. The 3 reason why you want to bet big when the deck is rich in big cards one Bj pays 3-2 , big cards are good for doubling down and big cards are going to most likely most the dealers stiffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 deep in a shoe you can have a 10% advantage here's a chart with 87.5% penetration But look at this table, which shows the Hi-Opt I advantage for all true counts from 0 through +20, with 87.5% of the cards dealt out:True Count Player Advantage Point Value 0 -.38 - +1 .18 (.56) +2 .66 (.48) +3 1.13 (.47) +4 1.80 (.67) +5 2.22 (.42) +6 2.80 (.58) +7 3.32 (.52) +8 4.18 (.86) +9 4.67 (.49) +10 4.95 (.28) +11 5.78 (.83) +12 5.64 (-.14) +13 7.37 (1.73) +14 7.51 (.14) +15 7.32 (-.19) +16 9.51 (2.19) +17 7.59 (-1.92) +18 9.72 (2.13) +19 10.38 (.66) +20 10.07 (-.25) I don't think you will find any place that will deal 87.5% of the shoe? Not totally sure. Been out of the game since the md 90s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I don't think you will find any place that will deal 87.5% of the shoe? Not totally sure. Been out of the game since the md 90s pretty sure you're right, unless you tip the dealer like roachman and get him to only keep 1 deck or so haven't played in a while but i had a chart that got up over 5%... play long enough and you'll see some crazy counts! much better than 1% advantages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 pretty sure you're right, unless you tip the dealer like roachman and get him to only keep 1 deck or so haven't played in a while but i had a chart that got up over 5%... play long enough and you'll see some crazy counts! much better than 1% advantagesit's hard to believe Roach wasn't backed off until recently with the spread he was betting. Tough gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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