Machiavelli Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I'm seeing a lot of fear mongering regarding Bernie lately, but it's not resonating. Also saw him on Twitter earlier where they held a speech and he had a ton people. And spoke like a COMMANDER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfo Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I’ve said the same thing for a year now, Biden the only one with a chance to beat Trump. Pretty good shot as well, mainstream America isn’t going to vote or a whacko like Sanders or any of those other weirdos in a general election. Hope the Democrats are too stupid to realize this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I’ve said the same thing for a year now, Biden the only one with a chance to beat Trump. Pretty good shot as well, mainstream America isn’t going to vote or a whacko like Sanders or any of those other weirdos in a general election. Hope the Democrats are too stupid to realize this. Bernie has the coasts and STRONG LATINO support. May be enough to get to 270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 AZ would go to him. And possibly Texas. Which would be Woahhhh. Super Tuesday here should give us an indicator if Texas may actually be in play. Game changer if so. Or well.. Country Changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I'm seeing a lot of fear mongering regarding Bernie lately, but it's not resonating. Also saw him on Twitter earlier where they held a speech and he had a ton people. And spoke like a COMMANDER.How do you feel about the fix being in? Biden wins the first primary of his 3 campaigns for president, and the establishment goes all in, all in trying to deny bernie, the only candidate that people really like. No one likes Biden, no one is passionate about him, he cant talk, flubs everything, he's an embarrassment. Bernie is going to win 6-7 states on Tues. biden 2-3, amy maybe 1, how the heck will the media look at that and say Biden "won"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 How do you feel about the fix being in? Biden wins the first primary of his 3 campaigns for president, and the establishment goes all in, all in trying to deny bernie, the only candidate that people really like. No one likes Biden, no one is passionate about him, he cant talk, flubs everything, he's an embarrassment. Bernie is going to win 6-7 states on Tues. biden 2-3, amy maybe 1, how the heck will the media look at that and say Biden "won"?Don't like it one bit. Will happily vote Trump if DNC costs Bernie. Also, Bernie projected for 10 or 11 on Tues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 What a clusterfuck the Democratic party is. It's embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Don't like it one bit. Will happily vote Trump if DNC costs Bernie. Also, Bernie projected for 10 or 11 on Tues.Biden will win NC, prob ALA, maybe Va, i think Ok too, not sure about that one, not many blacks there, But CA and TX are what matters, and bernie will steamroll them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfo Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 What a clusterfuck the Democratic party is. It's embarrassing. I held my nose and voted for Trump last election, have no qualms at all in voting for him this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Biden will win NC, prob ALA, maybe Va, i think Ok too, not sure about that one, not many blacks there, But CA and TX are what matters, and bernie will steamroll them.Tennessee for Biden, too, I believe. So 10-11 for Bernie; 3-5 for Joe. Minnesota maybe Amy, but doubt it. Bernie taking Mass means Liz needs to dip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I held my nose and voted for Trump last election, have no qualms at all in voting for him this time. Yeah - Zzyzx Rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HinesWard86 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I’ve said the same thing for a year now, Biden the only one with a chance to beat Trump. Pretty good shot as well, mainstream America isn’t going to vote or a whacko like Sanders or any of those other weirdos in a general election. Hope the Democrats are too stupid to realize this. I think Biden would get slaughtered by Trump. Younger voters would stay away in droves. Democrats need young people, and minorities (blacks and Latinos) to come out to win. Biden only brings out one of those three groups. Bernie brings out two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfo Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I think Biden would get slaughtered by Trump. Younger voters would stay away in droves. Democrats need young people, and minorities (blacks and Latinos) to come out to win. Biden only brings out one of those three groups. Bernie brings out two.Completely disagree, Bernie is way out there and would stand no chance in the general. Guy will be crucified having to defend his socialist beliefs in mainstream America. Young people don’t really show that much no matter the candidate and Biden would attract the blue collar voters in the rust belt the Dems need to win. Has a much better chance of attracting the minority vote as well. He’s their only chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I think Biden would get slaughtered by Trump. Younger voters would stay away in droves. Democrats need young people, and minorities (blacks and Latinos) to come out to win. Biden only brings out one of those three groups. Bernie brings out two.The democrats are letting ignorant southern blacks that go to church decide their nominee. OOh, Biden won SC. Other than the color of their skin, they have almost nothing in common with democrats nationwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Let's all be intellectually honest here. None of these candidates stand a chance. It's a clusterfuck. This was the D's chance to pounce. It was on a platter for them. And they rolled out this clusterfuck. I'm not calling landslide. But I don't see any of these clowns having a shot in the general. Unless the Anti-Christ comes out of nowhere and swoops in to save them, it's another 4 for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 BFO and SOL spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HinesWard86 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Completely disagree, Bernie is way out there and would stand no chance in the general. Guy will be crucified having to defend his socialist beliefs in mainstream America. Young people don’t really show that much no matter the candidate and Biden would attract the blue collar voters in the rust belt the Dems need to win. Has a much better chance of attracting the minority vote as well. He’s their only chance. Socialism is only a dirty word among the old guard now. Most younger voters understand that Democratic Socialism is a good thing. https://theweek.com/speedreads/899230/democratic-voters-texas-california-view-socialism-more-favorably-than-capitalism-new-poll-shows For Democrats to win, turnout needs to be high. That's how Clinton won his first term, and that's how Obama won his first term. Biden doesn't inspire people. He won't be able to get younger people to the polls, and that is a losing strategy. He is completely out of touch, and he won't have near the canvassing support as Bernie. Every time Dems nominate a centrist candidate, they lose. JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama were all seen as very left wing in one way or another. Centrists like Kerry and Hillary lost very winnable elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Trump will win in a landslide. -AXL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Completely disagree, Bernie is way out there and would stand no chance in the general. Guy will be crucified having to defend his socialist beliefs in mainstream America. Young people don’t really show that much no matter the candidate and Biden would attract the blue collar voters in the rust belt the Dems need to win. Has a much better chance of attracting the minority vote as well. He’s their only chance. Attract the minority vote? are you nuts, they already have it. Joe Biden is not black, and he sure as hell isn't obama. Blacks nationwide are not especially enamored with old white politicians that used to be racist's. Obama picked Biden to appeal to conservative, blue collar, semi racist whites. those groups are long gone from the dem electorate of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HinesWard86 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Let's all be intellectually honest here. None of these candidates stand a chance. It's a clusterfuck. This was the D's chance to pounce. It was on a platter for them. And they rolled out this clusterfuck. I'm not calling landslide. But I don't see any of these clowns having a shot in the general. Unless the Anti-Christ comes out of nowhere and swoops in to save them, it's another 4 for Trump. Bernie can win. I didn't think so in 2016, but I think so now. Younger voters are ready for a big change, and if they turn out at the same level the 65+ crowd does, Bernie would win 350+ EV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Socialism is only a dirty word among the old guard now. Most younger voters understand that Democratic Socialism is a good thing. WTF?HUH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Bernie can win. Not a chance in HELL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Not a chance in HELL. If the Democratic party nominates sanders as the candidate Trump may win by as big a margin as Nixon in 72 or Reagan in 84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HinesWard86 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 WTF?HUH? Check Twitter. Go talk to younger people. Go canvass. The results of that poll are pretty consistent with what you see. Younger people are more worldly, and they look more towards Europe than the older generations do. Democratic socialism works throughout Europe. No reason to think it wouldn't work in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Check Twitter. Go talk to younger people. Go canvass. The results of that poll are pretty consistent with what you see. Younger people are more worldly, and they look more towards Europe than the older generations do. Democratic socialism works throughout Europe. No reason to think it wouldn't work in America.OMGOMG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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