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theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 hours ago, tailsyoulose said: Worse than John Kerry? Worse than Al Gore? Worse than Mike Dukakis? No. Hillary was no superstar like Obama, but she was a much better than average candidate. This is a lie that Dems tell themselves to feel better about losing, and because their party and politicians suck. Laughable. Hillary was indeed a pathetically bad candidate. No D candidate in recent memory had her negatives within her own party. She was at best tolerated, but largely despised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 hours ago, tailsyoulose said: This election is very similar to 2004. A republican incumbent loved by his base and HATED by dems. A massive foreign war which was going very badly at the time, vs a public health war which is going very badly right now. A weak dishrag of a democrat ticket. In 2004 people went with the devil they knew. Tonight, 11 out of 12 in this focus group of undecideds said they will grudgingly vote for Trump. Very similar vibe to the focus groups of 2016. I love seeing all the totally normal Trump voters - every race and type of person, all voting Trump - who people like guesser call Nazis and scum. Shows how deranged Democrats are. You Cultists are insane. The normal, sane folks are largely for Biden because they have brains. That's why the Idiot loves the uneducated morons, i.e his base. Hint to the Stupid. There are NO undecideds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Hillary was a far stronger candidate than Biden. She would have mopped the floor with him in a primary if he had run in 2016. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, theguesser said: You Cultists are insane. The normal, sane folks are largely for Biden because they have brains. That's why the Idiot lovedsthe uneducated morons, i.e his base. Hint to the Stupid. There are NO undecideds. Watch that Frank Luntz focus group, guesser. Every single person except one said they plan to vote for Trump after the debate. Then, please tell us - which ones are Nazis? The black guys? The suburban soccer moms? The black woman? Which ones are fascists? Please tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 The stars of the debate were the rules and Welker, who was great, and a model for future moderators. Biden had a great first hour, destroying the Idiot in pretty much every way. The last 20 minutes or so, he was out of gas, running on fumes, and done. The oil statements, while correct policy, was much like Hillary's statement on Coal, also correct policy, but a bad, unforced error, that the uneducated can and will jump on, and the only thing in the debate which "may" hurt him. But reality is, the debate changed little. Pretty much nothing at this point can. The odds are largely unchanged, as witnessed by Pinnacle's chart before, during, and after the debate. Unless there's massive fraud and cheating by the R's, which is very, very possible, this is a done deal. 10/23 6:04 am-211 10/23 5:04 am-214 10/23 4:54 am-198 10/23 4:37 am-202 10/23 4:33 am-205 10/23 4:16 am-209 10/23 4:14 am-213 10/23 4:03 am-197 10/23 2:12 am-201 10/23 1:32 am-205 10/23 12:46 am-200 10/22 11:58 pm-196 10/22 11:55 pm-192 10/22 11:02 pm-189 10/22 10:50 pm-192 10/22 10:45 pm-188 10/22 10:44 pm-182 10/22 10:21 pm-185 10/22 10:19 pm-188 10/22 10:04 pm-191 10/22 9:44 pm-194 10/22 9:42 pm-190 10/22 8:26 pm-205 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted October 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, theguesser said: You Cultists are insane. The normal, sane folks are largely for Biden because they have brains. That's why the Idiot lovedsthe uneducated morons, i.e his base. Hint to the Stupid. There are NO undecideds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Agree that Welker was terrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Hillary was a far stronger candidate than Biden. She would have mopped the floor with him in a primary if he had run in 2016. Fact. This is so out of touch with reality, it's beyond laughable, but coming from the same moron that lost "millions" on his anyone and everyone but Kamala VP betting, no surprise. You'd think that would humble him, but he's too arrogant and stupid to have learned anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Guesser - it's 2016. Hillary and Biden are running against each other in the Dem primary. No one else in the primary race. What do you make the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Watch that Frank Luntz focus group, guesser. Every single person except one said they plan to vote for Trump after the debate. Then, please tell us - which ones are Nazis? The black guys? The suburban soccer moms? The black woman? Which ones are fascists? Please tell us. Frank Lutz is an irrelevant self promoter. I saw focus groups of "undecideds" where they all want to Biden. It's a farce. There are no undecideds, except for those saying they are, to get facetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, theguesser said: Frank Lutz is an irrelevant self promoter. I saw focus groups of "undecideds" where they all want to Biden. It's a farce. There are no undecideds, except for those saying they are, to get facetime. Fine, he's irrelevant. Agreed. That wasn't the question. Which Trump voters were Nazis? Point them out please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 If Hillary and Biden had run against each other in the 2016 primary (and no one else in the race), Hillary would have been somewhere around a -180 favorite. That's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, tailsyoulose said: Guesser - it's 2016. Hillary and Biden are running against each other in the Dem primary. No one else in the primary race. What do you make the odds? Biden would have destroyed her. It wouldn't have been a contest. She would have dropped before Bernie. It would have been Biden against Bernie. At that point, Biden was still running on all cylinders, and was a beloved figure. Now he's clearly lost lots off his fastball, and is just the vehicle to get the Idiot out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, theguesser said: Biden would have destroyed her. It wouldn't have been a contest. She would have dropped before Bernie. It would have been Biden against Bernie. At that point, Biden was still running on all cylinders, and was a beloved figure. Now he's clearly lost lots off his fastball, and is just the vehicle to get the Idiot out. LMAO No dude. It was HER turn. The party would have been behind her 100 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, tailsyoulose said: If Hillary and Biden had run against each other in the 2016 primary, Hillary would have been somewhere around a -180 favorite. That's a fact. Laughable. Biden was a popular VP from a successful administration, that was still all there. If Beau didn't die, and he chose to run, he would have swamped her. She would have dropped early. THAT's a Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Fine, he's irrelevant. Agreed. That wasn't the question. Which Trump voters were Nazis? Point them out please. The ones fervent enough to go to his super spreader events. They are not playing with even a pinochle deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: LMAO No dude. It was HER turn. The party would have been behind her 100 percent. Absolute BS. The party already showed what they thought of her when she couldn't beat an unknown new Senator from Illinois in 2008, when it actually was "her turn". Her turn was over after that. . The party would have been behind Biden., as the sitting VP from an extremely popular administration. She would have been looked at, accurately, as trying to rob him of his rightful place as next in line. The only reason she became the party insider choice in 2016, was because Bernie was the opponent, and he scares them to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 No. The media was fluffing Hillary up throughout the entire second term of Obama. She was considered the automatic successor after Obama edged her out in 2008. Biden would not have stood a chance head to head against her. She had the whole party eating out of her hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 That's a big part of why Biden didn't run. He knew he couldn't beat her. It was HER turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: No. The media was fluffing Hillary up throughout the entire second term of Obama. She was considered the automatic successor after Obama edged her out in 2008. Biden would not have stood a chance head to head against her. She had the whole party eating out of her hand. This is such absolute BS. Until Beau died, there was ZERO doubt among the party that if Biden wanted to run, he was the lock 2016 nominee. She could no possibly have beaten Biden, She was considered the auto successor in 2008. I made lots betting against that, and that was before anyone even knew Obama was running, because I always knew how despised she was by many in the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Obama was the biggest rockstar that the Dem party has ever produced. In its entire history. He was the perfect candidate in that moment, and an absolute force to be reckoned with. No one could have beaten him. And even then, he only barely beat Hillary. That alone is a testament to how strong a candidate she was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: That's a big part of why Biden didn't run. He knew he couldn't beat her. It was HER turn. He didn't run because of Beau's death, PERIOD, end of story, and even then, he said he came close, but just couldn't put his family or himself through it. It's ALWAYS the VP's turn next up if they want it, unless the POTUS was a failure. That was clearly not the case with Obama, who was and is revered in the D party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, tailsyoulose said: Obama was the biggest rockstar that the Dem party has ever produced. In its entire history. He was the perfect candidate in that moment, and an absolute force to be reckoned with. No one could have beaten him. And even then, he only barely beat Hillary. That alone is a testament to how strong a candidate she was. He was an absolute nobody who came out of left field beat her, when it was indeed her turn, and she had all the party help. He was a rockstar, but she was always despised by lots of D's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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