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shooterman Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/22/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, shooterman said: https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/22/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ Good article - here's the key point - we can do nothing, any attempt to engage the russians and our forces would be annihilated. Biden is in a horrible position - if he does nothing he looks weak, if he does something he faces either defeat or embarrassment. The toolbox is everywhere, it seems—Biden has referred to it, as has White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Blinken has alluded to it on numerous occasions. There’s only one problem—the toolbox, it turns out, is empty. While the Pentagon is reportedly working on a series of military options to reinforce the existing U.S. military presence in eastern Europe, the actual implementation of these options would neither be timely nor even possible. One option is to move forces already in Europe; the U.S. Army maintains one heavy armored brigade in Europe on a rotational basis and has a light armored vehicle brigade and an artillery brigade stationed in Germany. Along with some helicopter and logistics support, that’s it. Flooding these units into Poland would be for display purposes only—they represent an unsustainable combat force that would be destroyed within hours, if not days, in any large-scale ground combat against a Russian threat. The U.S. can deploy a second heavy armored brigade to Poland which would fall in on prepositioned equipment already warehoused on Polish soil. This brigade would suffer a similar fate if matched up against the Russian army. The U.S. can also deploy an airborne brigade. They, too, would die. There are no other options available to deploy additional U.S. heavy forces to Europe on a scale and in a timeframe that would be meaningful. The problem isn’t just the deployment of forces from their bases in the U.S. (something that would takes months to prepare for), but the sustainability of these forces once they arrived on the ground in Europe. Food, ammunition, water, fuel—the logistics of war is complicated, and not resolved overnight. In short, there is no viable military option, and Biden knows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-chernobyl-during-invasion-why-162127015.html interesting article here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 I believe irkutsk is still maybe 3000 miles from western russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKolzig Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, mikeman said: Good article - here's the key point - we can do nothing, any attempt to engage the russians and our forces would be annihilated. Biden is in a horrible position - if he does nothing he looks weak, if he does something he faces either defeat or embarrassment. The toolbox is everywhere, it seems—Biden has referred to it, as has White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Blinken has alluded to it on numerous occasions. There’s only one problem—the toolbox, it turns out, is empty. While the Pentagon is reportedly working on a series of military options to reinforce the existing U.S. military presence in eastern Europe, the actual implementation of these options would neither be timely nor even possible. One option is to move forces already in Europe; the U.S. Army maintains one heavy armored brigade in Europe on a rotational basis and has a light armored vehicle brigade and an artillery brigade stationed in Germany. Along with some helicopter and logistics support, that’s it. Flooding these units into Poland would be for display purposes only—they represent an unsustainable combat force that would be destroyed within hours, if not days, in any large-scale ground combat against a Russian threat. The U.S. can deploy a second heavy armored brigade to Poland which would fall in on prepositioned equipment already warehoused on Polish soil. This brigade would suffer a similar fate if matched up against the Russian army. The U.S. can also deploy an airborne brigade. They, too, would die. There are no other options available to deploy additional U.S. heavy forces to Europe on a scale and in a timeframe that would be meaningful. The problem isn’t just the deployment of forces from their bases in the U.S. (something that would takes months to prepare for), but the sustainability of these forces once they arrived on the ground in Europe. Food, ammunition, water, fuel—the logistics of war is complicated, and not resolved overnight. In short, there is no viable military option, and Biden knows this. thats what i figured from the geopolicitcal simulator game i used to play. takes many weeks to move brigades into position. biden would have had to start that when russia had only like 30k troops lined up. too late now hopefully ukraine surrenders in the first 10 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, KingKolzig said: thats what i figured from the geopolicitcal simulator game i used to play. takes many weeks to move brigades into position. biden would have had to start that when russia had only like 30k troops lined up. too late now hopefully ukraine surrenders in the first 10 days We're a pussy army that depends on air superiority, the russians would own the air in ukraine, we're not used to being outgunned and pinned down. in Iraq or afghanistan anytime units got in trouble they would just call in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKolzig Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 good then its over biden cant do anything and shouldnt anyways. if USA invaded mexico putin couldnt do anything either. putin will suffer with scorn from the entire world. thats good enough MLB season is a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, KingKolzig said: good then its over biden cant do anything and shouldnt anyways. if USA invaded mexico putin couldnt do anything either. putin will suffer with scorn from the entire world. thats good enough MLB season is a go The best course for Biden is to shut the F up and stop talking tough, when they invade he can slap those big bad sanctions on them and that'll be the end of it. The problem is the media is pushing for a war - prob thinking it'll help biden, it wont, no one in the US wants another bullshit war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, KingKolzig said: MLB season is a go Best news right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mikeman Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 This could be disinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 China is licking their chops over Taiwan watching Biden's doofus routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 All those planeloads of weapons pouring into ukraine will be in russian hands in a month. just like in afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, mikeman said: All those planeloads of weapons pouring into ukraine will be in russian hands in a month. just like in afghanistan. Yes. It was kind of the British to send them. Generous donation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shooterman Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I hope this evacuation goes better than the last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasson621 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Jimmy Hoffa said: China is licking their chops over Taiwan watching Biden's doofus routine. Beijing Biden,,,it is so sad and we have numerous twats here that support him. They are sadder than Joe as he his just cashing his lifetime paycheck. These dumb twats that post here are actively destroying democracy. I don't care I can afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimmy Hoffa Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Aren't we already sanctioning Russia for some other shit they pulled in Ukraine a while back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickBateman Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Biden should just send all of the twannys and gays in the military. You want equal opportunity, have at it. I don't really Alan Karre if they win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 BREAKING (AFP) — The EU is *not* following the US in withdrawing its diplomats' families from Ukraine, top European diplomat Josep Borrell says, adding there is no need to "dramatize" the situation while diplomatic talks with Russia continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 This morning from Poso: I very much hope that the outcome with Russia and Ukraine is not war Problem is you have people in the admin like Ron Klain running around talking like Biden is the new Patton who will be the president who ‘finally defeats Putin’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, xyz said: This morning from Poso: I very much hope that the outcome with Russia and Ukraine is not war Problem is you have people in the admin like Ron Klain running around talking like Biden is the new Patton who will be the president who ‘finally defeats Putin’ We're talking about sending maybe 5000 troops to eastern europe - meaning poland or romania, if putin was planning on invading either of those 2 countries it might make sense. This wont change a thing as far as russia's plans for ukraine. Nor does it make Biden look tough, quite the contrary. If and when Russia attacks ukraine we wont do a thing, that's the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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