maron Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Big 12 football is the bottom of the barrel for football among the Power Five but they are making strides Addition of a conference Championship Game Now they are serious about adding the likes of BYU, Houston, Cincinnati , and other teams to at least get to twelve.... Should they be put on equal footing now for the College Football Playoff system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yes, of course. Many powerhouses in that conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 lack of a conference championship game for seven years or so was quite odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Anything less than the addition of BYU and Boise State will be a failed expansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 lack of a conference championship game for seven years or so was quite odd They still don't have one. All of this is a step backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 They still don't have one. All of this is a step backward.Got one in place for 2017....dont know if they could just add the extra game without scheduling adjustments http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15930892/big-12-unanimously-votes-bring-back-conference-title-game-2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Got one in place for 2017....dont know if they could just add the extra game without scheduling adjustments http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15930892/big-12-unanimously-votes-bring-back-conference-title-game-2017 Yeah. But they are going to have two divisions and the conference is already going to have a clear winner. A game between a first place team and a second place team is not a championship. And a game between a first place team and a third or fourth place team is a joke. It is an exhibition game. But you call it a championship and people will watch it. I don't get why people love this stuff so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yeah. But they are going to have two divisions and the conference is already going to have a clear winner. A game between a first place team and a second place team is not a championship. And a game between a first place team and a third or fourth place team is a joke. It is an exhibition game. But you call it a championship and people will watch it. I don't get why people love this stuff so much. I bring it up mostly for the following point..If they had a conference championship two years ago then Baylor TCU would have probably gone to the playoff instead of Ohio State recent announcements by Big 12 commish give me more hope for this conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I bring it up mostly for the following point..If they had a conference championship two years ago then Baylor TCU would have probably gone to the playoff instead of Ohio State recent announcements by Big 12 commish give me more hope for this conference No, they wouldn't. TCU was ranked over Ohio State right until the final week and they jumped them because they wanted Ohio State in the championship because nobody wants to watch TCU. If Baylor had beaten TCU, which most likely would have happened, TCU would be out. A TCU win might have got them in but their odds were greatly reduced from being ranked ahead of Ohio State going into the final week in that scenario. This championship thing actually amkes it less likely that a TCU or Baylor can make it because they will have to play Texas or OU one extra time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I bring it up mostly for the following point..If they had a conference championship two years ago then Baylor TCU would have probably gone to the playoff instead of Ohio State recent announcements by Big 12 commish give me more hope for this conferenceThe conference can't take not expanding but they are going to go backward. I really don't know why Texas wants any part of this now. I think they will bolt pretty quick when they see the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On the other hand, if Texas gets to keep its network they may be happy and may just want to make everybody else happy since they want it so bad. Maybe they just want to keep the peace and keep raking in the $$$. The Big 12 is going to take a big step back in terms of competitiveness with the major conferences. It's going to get real ugly if they don't take Houston and BYU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Does BYU finally fold and go to a conference...their college football schedule is really tough this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 It's laughable because they are the only conference with a clear winner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mofome Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Big 12 has been better than the big ten, by a wide margin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Does BYU finally fold and go to a conference...their college football schedule is really tough this year They will do whatever it takes to join the Big 12 except play on Sundays. If they add Cincinnati and Memphis those could become disasters. Peple assume they will just get better but that hasn't happened with Kansas. They could just give up 50 every game. If they let in Houston, there is a decent chance UH hires Art Briles after this year and then UH starts kicking Texas' ass. Houston can be a national power. I don't think they want them in the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 No, they wouldn't. TCU was ranked over Ohio State right until the final week and they jumped them because they wanted Ohio State in the championship because nobody wants to watch TCU. If Baylor had beaten TCU, which most likely would have happened, TCU would be out. A TCU win might have got them in but their odds were greatly reduced from being ranked ahead of Ohio State going into the final week in that scenario. This championship thing actually amkes it less likely that a TCU or Baylor can make it because they will have to play Texas or OU one extra time.absolutely they would have if they had a conf championship. either team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 absolutely they would have if they had a conf championship. either team Ohio State waxed Wisconsin and they wanted them in. TCU would have lost to Baylor most days. But even if they won closely, the NCAA would likely jump them saying Ohio State showed themselves to be more dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 OU and Texas go to the national playoff regardless of a championship as you saw with OU last year. If you look at the one time that a Big 12 team could have gone that was not Texas or OU, it was Kansas State with Michael Bishop. They lost to A&M, which was the equivalent of a fourth place team, in the championship and they dropped down to the Alamo Bowl because nobody wants KSU. TCU would likely have lost to Baylor. The championship is not a good thing for Texas or OU and it is really bad for everybody else. But it is a lot more $$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 The mystique of Oklahoma has worn off...some thought it might be back when they beat Bama in a bowl game but people realize now and maybe even then that it was the boredom of the Crimson TIde in that game that spurred it on. They are looking at Colorado State as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 The mystique of Oklahoma has worn off...some thought it might be back when they beat Bama in a bowl game but people realize now and maybe even then that it was the boredom of the Crimson TIde in that game that spurred it on. They are looking at Colorado State as well It's not about mystique. It is about money. OU is a cash machine. Yeah, Colorado State. This conference is on the verge of disaster. Also, Baylor is about to take a header and TCU will eventually become what they have always been. It can get really ugly, really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Sooners have suffered more than a brand name than Notre Dame or USC...at least the Trjoans had their recent dynasty run under Caroll...... ND is down but nowhere near the Sooners....lots of cupcakes but without the elite horses to get them through in big games against elite Power five... If they drop the game against the Cougars then it might be over for them for four years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Sooners have suffered more than a brand name than Notre Dame or USC...at least the Trjoans had their recent dynasty run under Caroll...... ND is down but nowhere near the Sooners....lots of cupcakes but without the elite horses to get them through in big games against elite Power five... If they drop the game against the Cougars then it might be over for them for four years It's never over for OU. They get all their players out of Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Baylor and TCU going down means OU and Texas going up. Just watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maron Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 over as in the national scene giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt...they will usually if not always in the top tier of the bIg 12 but not the national scene if they flop vs Houston... I give them credit for a much stronger non con then they normall have with Houston and Ohio State but truth be told they did not think Houston would be near where they were when they made the schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 over as in the national scene giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt...they will usually if not always in the top tier of the bIg 12 but not the national scene if they flop vs Houston... I give them credit for a much stronger non con then they normall have with Houston and Ohio State but truth be told they did not think Houston would be near where they were when they made the schedule Does not matter. OU is a historic program. They are a professional sports franchise worth millions. They will pay top dollar to keep that status whether it be paying a coach or paying the players if necessary. They will always be in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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