Plommer are you a Judge pal?

[Cop]

 

(CNN)A judge in Canada is facing removal from the bench for his conduct when he asked a woman in a rape case why she couldn't "just keep [her] knees together."

 

Federal Court Judge Robin Camp is in the midst of a week-long judicial council hearing, which will determine whether he ought to be booted from his position.

 

The case in question took place in 2014 when Camp was a provincial court judge. (He became a Federal Judge last year.)

The 19-year-old woman said she was raped over a bathroom sink during a house party.

According to records of the trial, Camp asked her why she didn't "skew her pelvis" or push her bottom into the sink to avoid penetration. He openly wondered, "Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?"

On the subject of sex in general, and sex with young women in particular, he said, "Young wom[e]n want to have sex, particularly if they're drunk."

In a different part of the trial, he said "Some sex and pain sometimes go together...that's not necessarily a bad thing."

Camp, 64, ultimately acquitted the man charged with the crime, and then told him:

"I want you to tell your friends, your male friends, that they have to be far more gentle with women. They have to be far more patient. And they have to be very careful. To protect themselves, they have to be very careful."

The verdict was overturned on appeal. A new trial is scheduled for November.

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[jd_]

Would you believe me if I said I read that earlier today at work and thought "All rise for the honorable Judge Plommer"? 

[Cop]

Would you believe me if I said I read that earlier today at work and thought "All rise for the honorable Judge Plommer"?

lol. Yes absolutely.

[Guest pocketrockets]

lmao

[plommer]

Their argument is basically "Bad men! Naughty men! Don't do those things! Here. Take this consent class, read this literature and think real hard about your privilege because you're rapists waiting to happen. Women should be allowed to act like total sluts and still be respected enough that no man she doesn't approve of should try to hit on her.."

 

And so on. They don't place any agency on women at all. You'd swear the west was becoming like a middle Eastern, Islamic country with all the cries for women only spaces or that men are too dangerous. They want to try it in Sweden. It is no different than what happens in the middle East. It is as if they desire their choices to be made for them. Rapists don't care about whether they are shitty humans. No amount of shaming and blaming men will stop the crime from happening, just as no amount of shaming anyone for any crime has stopped it from happening.

 

But what women can do is choose to be more responsible.

 

Making responsible choices is what it means to be an adult.

 

It means making decisions regarding personal safety.

 

How is it safe to make yourself vulnerable before someone you barely know because you believe they shouldn't be a bad person?

 

That is asking a lot from someone who may not care.

 

So instead of trying to control the actions of others, focus on what you can do and move on. Leave. Stop drinking more around strangers. Take your shit and go home.

[plommer]

"Should" women have to say "no" over and over again to get the point across to pushy men? Of course not. One "no" should be enough.

 

Do they have to in the real world? Should we talk to our daughters and sisters and girlfriends about how to say no loud and clear in sexual situations so that we are definitely heard and clearly understood by partners who might be horny and impaired? Yes, we totally should. Because even when one softly uttered, polite "no" at the beginning of a conversation SHOULD be enough, in the real world it often isn't.

 

Somewhere along the line, talking about the real world and giving practical advice to women ("don't get so drunk that you don't know what you are doing around men you don't trust") has become victim blaming.

 

People are quick to say "but I should only have to say no once!" or "but men can drink as much as they want and not have to worry!" But it still is the way it is. And if we aren't coming at the problem from both angles (how to protect women from rape now with practical tactics and also how to change the world to be a better place so that fewer rapes happen), we are doing everyone a disservice.

[Sam Odom]

Judge Plommer