WVU Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 If I knew which side of a hedge was going to win why bet the other side in the first place. I could end up owing my local 10k and have a 9k balance in Hrwager with 20k still to rollover and end up with a wife filing for divorce......You can kinda dictate which side wins by playing MLs with the fav at your local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Another way to move money out of a high rollover book is to play all 8 sides of a 3 team parlay using 2 sides at 1 book and 6 at another. Or 1 and 7. It won't work forever but you won't be losing as much to juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Don't listen to WVU. There is no mathematical way to just pull your money out through arbitrage or using fancy parlays. What he is suggesting is basically a martingale and comes with the obvious risk of just increasing your balance in the high rollover book. This type of thinking is favored by high school dropouts who track outcomes in roulette and put A1 sauce on their steaks. If you're a recreational bettor, just keep betting even if it takes forever. If you're a recreational bettor who needs the money out sooner rather than later, increase your bet size. The more desperate you are to get the cash out sooner, the bigger should be your bets. You have to weigh the downside of funds being tied up in a shitty book vs. the downside of betting more than you're comfortable with. In the future, avoid these high rollovers by converting the freeplay into cash in ways that reduce variance even at the cost of EV. In other words, bet it on a +150 favorite and get 65% of the freeplay value rather than betting it on a +2000 parlay that gives you 75% of the value. Hitting these parlays creates all sorts of issues: books will notice and try to scam the winnings away from you, plus the rollover is enormous and you're at the mercy of their limits/delays/increased juice/eliminating markets/etc. AmericasBookie offers all sorts of good lines. Not scalps but good lines. Just bet a ton of these at low limits every day and it'll even out. As for the other book, their lines are shittier so when you find a decent one you have to bet more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisHarvard Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yes we are not all "line originating, pros" like FH and his merry men. I would take WVUs advice because he is not a pretender, he is the best for advice when it comes to arbing and how to meet insane r/os. To say "even if it takes forever", is just another oyster statement from one of the merry men that haven't proved a thing, other than they can talk trash with the best of them. I do agree with Mathys main point: avoid high rollovers. Hindsight is 20/10 for the merry men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yes we are not all "line originating, pros" like FH and his merry men. I would take WVUs advice because he is not a pretender, he is the best for advice when it comes to arbing and how to meet insane r/os. To say "even if it takes forever", is just another oyster statement from one of the merry men that haven't proved a thing, other than they can talk trash with the best of them. I do agree with Mathys main point: avoid high rollovers. Hindsight is 20/10 for the merry men Had not noticed your posts before but now I see why everyone thinks you're a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Of course there is no guarantee RM. My advice is still sound if you want a shot at getting some money out. I bust out on the side I want much more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Of course there is no guarantee RM. My advice is still sound if you want a shot at getting some money out. I bust out on the side I want much more often than not. But when you don't bust out it means you're really fucked because not only did you win at the shit book but you won at long odds and just transferred a bunch of good cash in a good book into a shit book. It's tempting but a bad bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 But when you don't bust out it means you're really fucked because not only did you win at the shit book but you won at long odds and just transferred a bunch of good cash in a good book into a shit book. It's tempting but a bad bet.I wager bonus book against bonus book so it doesn't matter all that much. I bust out of one and redeposit and go again. My average bustout is about 4 rolls. Been making money this way for 10+ years. I have other non public ways of beating the books that adds to my bottom line as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I wager bonus book against bonus book so it doesn't matter all that much. I bust out of one and redeposit and go again. My average bustout is about 4 rolls. Been making money this way for 10+ years. I have other non public ways of beating the books that adds to my bottom line. That's profitable but you're leaving $ on the table most likely because betting opposite sides at shit books usually involves a lot more juice than doing it with respect to a low juice book like Pinnacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yes we are not all "line originating, pros" like FH and his merry men. I would take WVUs advice because he is not a pretender, he is the best for advice when it comes to arbing and how to meet insane r/os. To say "even if it takes forever", is just another oyster statement from one of the merry men that haven't proved a thing, other than they can talk trash with the best of them. I do agree with Mathys main point: avoid high rollovers. Hindsight is 20/10 for the merry men FH couldn't originate a game with tomorrow's newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 FH couldn't originate a game with tomorrow's newspaper. Not true, he has very good instincts on line movements, just is shy on the trigger. Fish got new shoes from Wal-Mart this week, it's really hurting Vegas' bottom line. He is zipping between casinos even faster than usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryRunSome Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I'm thinking in Vegas I'm gonna be betting sports on my phone online just to help myself get thru itThat's fucking awful. What's the point of going? The whole point of Vegas is to bet games and go to the window minutes after they end and collect cash. I always made sure I had no cash left offshore before I went to Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeinkeToWarrick Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 That's why I wanted to hopefully cash out within the next couple weeks, so I could take my roll to Vegas and triple it without any rollover...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisHarvard Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Durito and I are thick as thieves. Do not mess with me Mathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Marty Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 That's fucking awful. What's the point of going? The whole point of Vegas is to bet games and go to the window minutes after they end and collect cash. I always made sure I had no cash left offshore before I went to Vegas Because he has a huge roll to meet offshore, so if he's going to bet he wants to bet towards his roll. Do you guys really go to Vegas just to bet recreationally on sports with cash? I thought it was to see all the Mexicans and families pushing their kids around in strollers since that's what Vegas has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryRunSome Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Because he has a huge roll to meet offshore, so if he's going to bet he wants to bet towards his roll. Do you guys really go to Vegas just to bet recreationally on sports with cash? I thought it was to see all the Mexicans and families pushing their kids around in strollers since that's what Vegas has become.Grab your fucking SHINEBOX mathy. I will SUMMON you, when your presence is needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAUS Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 That's why I wanted to hopefully cash out within the next couple weeks, so I could take my roll to Vegas and triple it without any rollover......Why not triple it from the comfort of your own home? What advantage do you have in Vegas you don't have offshore? BAUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy does it Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 What's your balance? If you have a high balance can easily place 50+ $100 wagers a day and constanty break even and finish it fairly quickly, I once finished a 50K rollover In 2 weeks betting basically everything on the board. It's a lot easier once college basketball starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickadee Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 That's profitable but you're leaving $ on the table most likely because betting opposite sides at shit books usually involves a lot more juice than doing it with respect to a low juice book like Pinnacle. Which is why he does it bonus book vs. bonus book to eat up the RO.Rinse repeat with a new bonus book to continue the process (lol@ losing 9k to the local)WVU is right about the strategy it works even if you know nothing about being +EV with any bets.You can find lots of line sets at bonus books with low hold if you look hard enough.As long as betting limits caps aren't too harsh and bonuses are credited immediately the bonus will cover the losses to vig every time unless you run extremely poorly.And it's not like he has to limit himself to doing that either but assuming he's a loser like most everyone on the forums it's a way to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plommer Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I always made sure I had no cash left offshore before I went to VegasRunsome tell us how you accomplish this. Is that harder to pull off than completing a hugh rollover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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