Guest boatboatboat Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Knicks and Cavaliers are in serious trade talks focusing on swapping F Carmelo Anthony and PG Kryie Irving with a potential third team involved, reports Yahoo Sports' Jordan Schultz. ESPN's Ian Begley reports the Knicks are not willing to deal F Kristaps Porzingis, but they would be willing to send future first-round picks with Anthony for Irving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 ROFL, sorry Deemer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Though Cavs still win 55games and Knicks miss playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Lol Carmelo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Irving would rather play for the Knicks than a guaranteed trip to the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balco Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Kyrie Irving and LeBron James were always an arranged marriage. So if there is ever any confusion over why Irving demanded a trade from the Cleveland Cavaliers and no longer wants to play with James anymore, just understand: Irving never asked for this. James did all of the arranging.James will always be chasing the Micheal Jordan ghost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjt Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Carmelo. Ouch. Then Rose to replace Kyrie. What a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjt Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Kyrie Irving and LeBron James were always an arranged marriage. So if there is ever any confusion over why Irving demanded a trade from the Cleveland Cavaliers and no longer wants to play with James anymore, just understand: Irving never asked for this. James did all of the arranging.James will always be chasing the Micheal Jordan ghost. Where you copy and paste that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balco Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Where you copy and paste that from?Why Kyrie Irving has decided it's time to break free of LeBron JamesMichael LeeMichael LeeYahoo SportsJuly 22, 2017 https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/kyrie-irving-decided-time-break-free-lebron-james-024809809.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Where you copy and paste that from?yahoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Lebron going to bail on his hometown team twice in a career. Guy chases rings like Kinger chases panties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balco Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Guy chases rings like Kinger chases panties. Almost as good as Bustin' Nutz. Keep workin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Knicks and Cavaliers are in serious trade talks focusing on swapping F Carmelo Anthony and PG Kryie Irving with a potential third team involved, reports Yahoo Sports' Jordan Schultz. ESPN's Ian Begley reports the Knicks are not willing to deal F Kristaps Porzingis, but they would be willing to send future first-round picks with Anthony for Irving. That would be a horrible trade for the Cavs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 When every city in Ohio is like your local dump and all lakes are three feet deep and smell like shit can you really blame him? Fish chews on 11-year-old girl's foot, causes bone-deep cuts An 11-year-old girl suffered bone-deep lacerations when what was probably a fish chewed on her foot and ankle as she cooled off in a northeastern Minnesota lake. Maren Kesselhon suffered nine deep cuts and tendon damage Wednesday when she jumped off a paddleboard on Island Lake, near Duluth, about 150 miles (240 kilometers) northeast of Minneapolis. Maren tells WDIO-TV ( http://bit.ly/2uizN4r ) that she could feel her foot was inside a fish's mouth and kicked at it with her other foot to free herself. The doctors who treated Maren say the razor-sharp cuts probably were caused by a muskie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Kyrie Irving has requested a trade from the Cavs, looking for a place where he can be the focal point. Gregory Shamus/Getty Images 1:32 AM EThttp://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/columnists/full/pelton_kevin.png&w=160&h=160&scale=cropKevin PeltonESPN Staff Writer FacebookTwitterFacebook MessengerPinterestEmailprintcommentOn Friday, ESPN's Brian Windhorst reported the stunning news that Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavaliers for a trade because he wants to be a larger focal point and no longer wants to play alongside LeBron James.The timing of Irving's request will limit Cleveland's trade options in terms of teams that could offer a suitable replacement for Irving at point guard along with other picks or players to even things up in terms of value. However, Irving's value on the trade market might exceed his value on the court, depending how you rate his performance. So could the Cavaliers satisfy Irving's request and also improve their chances of winning a championship? The case for trading him: Irving's poor defense, RPMFor all of Irving's accomplishments -- All-Star MVP, FIBA World Cup MVP, Olympic gold medalist, hitting the go-ahead shot in Game 7 of the NBA Finals when Cleveland won the 2016 championship -- he ranked just 12th among point guards in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) last season.While RPM's variability makes it a blunt tool for rating players over a single season, Irving's relatively low value in the metric is nothing new. In 2015-16, coming back from a fractured patella, he ranked 28th among point guards. And even in 2014-15, when Irving was chosen All-NBA third team -- indicating voters ranked him among the league's six best guards -- he ranked ninth at point guard. The common denominator is Irving's poor defense. While RPM has generally rated Irving as an elite offensive player -- he ranked 14th in the league in offense-only RPM last season -- he's typically rated as a below-average defender.Irving's RPM also suffers from how much the Cavaliers have struggled when he plays without James. Last season, Cleveland was outscored by an incredible 8.0 points per 100 possessions in the 568 minutes Irving played and James sat, according to NBA.com/Stats. In 2015-16, the Cavaliers were slightly better than opponents when Irving was on the court without James (plus-1.1 points per 100 possessions) and in 2014-15 they were slightly outscored (minus-1.3 net rating).In games James has missed and Irving has played, Cleveland has gone 3-13 over that span, making it difficult for the Cavaliers to rest James without paying a price in the standings. The case against trading him: Playoff Kyrie, future developmentIndeed, Cleveland missed out on the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference last season in part because of the team's tendency to lose anytime James sat out. Of course, that was of little consequence as the Cavaliers romped through the East, going 12-1 en route to the NBA Finals. Irving was a big factor in that, as he was in Cleveland's victory over the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 Finals.Historically, Irving has shown a tendency to play his best when the stakes are highest, most notably in that series against Golden State. Even before his Game 7 heroics, Irving had 41 points on 17-of-24 shooting to help the Cavaliers win an elimination Game 5 on the road.Because his defensive issues are more about effort than a lack of physical talent, Irving has the ability to find a higher gear defensively in the playoffs. His improved effort was a key factor in the Cavs shutting Golden State down during their 2016 comeback from a 3-1 deficit.It's also worth noting that though Irving has been in the league for six seasons, he just turned 25 in March. He's barely two years older than Sacramento Kingsrookie Frank Mason. So Irving might still have development in front of him. The 50 most similar players at the same age by my SCHOENE projection system improved their per-minute winning percentage by 4.0 percent the following season.Almost inevitably, whomever the Cavaliers would get in return for Irving would be an older player. (If they were younger and similar in value to Irving, the other team would have no incentive to make that trade.) So Cleveland's long-term future is likely to take a hit in an Irving deal. Possible trade optionsThe teams on the list of desired destinations Irving gave the Cavaliers, according to ESPN's Chris Haynes -- Miami, Minnesota, New York and San Antonio -- mostly don't make sense as trade partners for Cleveland.Other than Kristaps Porzingis, the Knicks don't have anyone on the roster with trade value remotely comparable to Irving's. (Sorry, Carmelo Anthony doesn't count.) Same with the Spurs and Kawhi Leonard. A deal with the Timberwolves centered on Andrew Wiggins could be more appealing but would require James to serve as the Cavaliers' full-time point guard -- and produce an awkward pairing of Irving and newly signed Jeff Teague in the Minnesota backcourt.The Heat could build an offer around point guard Goran Dragic, who is a capable enough 3-point shooter (40.5 percent last season, 36.3 percent career) to fill Irving's role of playing off the ball alongside James. Dragic has two seasons left on his contract at less money per year than Irving. But he's not nearly as dynamic a playmaker and is already 31.A couple of teams not on Irving's list could make more competitive deals. The Boston Celtics could offer point guard Isaiah Thomas, who was chosen for the All-NBA second team last season (Irving missed out). Thomas is surely the closest offensive proxy for Irving's skills the Cavaliers could get in return. However, the Celtics might be willing to offer him because Thomas is an impending free agent and his defensive limitations (in his case, being 5-foot-9) are more difficult to overcome.If Cleveland views this season as potentially its last with James, dealing for a player in the last year of his contract might make sense. Otherwise, the Cavaliers would be forced to choose between letting Thomas walk in a year or paying him a max deal starting at a projected $30.6 million that would take Thomas well into his 30s. Matching salary would also surely require Boston to gut its roster, making such a deal probably unpalatable. The best option, then, might be a Phoenix Suns package centered on point guard Eric Bledsoe. While his effort tends to wax and wane during the regular season, Bledsoe is the kind of physical defender Irving is not, and he has become a credible enough 3-point threat to play off the ball. (Bledsoe made a career-high 104 3s last season, albeit at a below-average 33.5 percent clip.)There are other reasons to believe a Bledsoe deal could work. He's a client of Klutch Sports, the agency founded by James' business partner Rich Paul. Phoenix also has ample cap space to take a contract like Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert off Cleveland's books, reducing the Cavaliers' tax bill. A deal of Irving and Shumpert for Bledsoe and TJ Warren would save Cleveland nearly $60 million in payroll and taxes this season.While Bledsoe would be a defensive upgrade against Stephen Curry in a possible Finals rematch, it's still hard to say the Cavaliers would have a better chance of beating Golden State with Bledsoe in place of Irving. Cleveland would lose too much of the shooting and shot creation that broke the Warriors' defense late in the 2016 Finals. Unless the Cavaliers can get another star point guard who is unexpectedly available in a trade, an Irving deal might help them in the regular season but not in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 What Kyrie Irving trades would make the Cleveland Cavaliers better, and where should the star point guard land?With Irving making a reported trade request earlier this month, our NBA Insiders present five deals that work, featuring seven teams and six All-Stars. Destination: LA ClippersClippers get: Andre Drummond, Stanley Johnson and a future Pistons first-round pickPistons get: Kyrie Irving and Tristan ThompsonCavaliers get: DeAndre Jordan and Reggie JacksonView in ESPN's Trade MachineJeremias Engelmann: Any trade the Cavaliers do would have to include a point guard going to Cleveland. While Jackson is quite a downgrade from Irving, the Cavaliers would get a significant upgrade at center by replacing Thompson with Jordan. Jordan is one of the best centers in the game and would give the Cavaliers a much-needed rim-protector. With Chris Paul gone, the Clippers' future isn't exactly clear. Considering the strength of the West, they might actually drop out of the playoffs, potentially leading Jordan to test out free agency in the summer of 2018. In Drummond they'd essentially get a younger version of Jordan -- with a longer contract. Johnson wasn't great in his first two NBA seasons, but at age 21 there is still some hope that the former No. 8 pick can turn things around. Additionally, the Clippers would receive a future first-rounder from Detroit, signifying that the Clippers are building for the future.Detroit disappointed last season with only 37 wins. Some of that was attributed to bad team chemistry. Jackson, supposedly a culprit, would be shipped out while Detroit would get a superstar in Irving. Thompson could fill the void created by Drummond's departure and Kyrie would get his wish of being the clear No. 1 option. Destination: Phoenix SunsSuns get: Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert and Richard JeffersonCavaliers get: Eric Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Jared Dudley, Miami's 2021 unprotected first-round pick and first-round swap rights with Phoenix in 2018 (protected for picks Nos. 1-6; converts to second-rounders in 2018 and 2019 if not conveyed)View in ESPN's Trade MachineBobby Marks: Cleveland is built to win now but also has to consider a possible rebuild in 2018 if LeBron James leaves. This deal should accomplish their goals (and get Irving out of the East): Bledsoe is a starting point guard in his mid 20s, Warren's contract is controllable because he hits restricted free agency next summer, Dudley brings a veteran presence and the Cavs could use the extra draft picks.Unlike in 2010 when James left for Miami, Cleveland would be well-positioned for the 2018-19 season. A core of Bledsoe, Warren, Dudley, Kevin Love, Thompson and JR Smith would be good enough to compete for a playoff spot. This also would drop the Cavs' luxury tax commitment from $78.4 million to $59.6 million.Suns GM Ryan McDonough would need to figure out if Irving is willing to commit long term before using significant assets to acquire the point guard. To find that answer, Phoenix has to have a conversation with Irving's agent, Jeff Wechsler. The Cavs also could give the Suns permission to meet with Irving. Although Irving is under contract, the Suns would use the meeting similar to a free-agent visit to sell the All-Star on the benefits of playing in Phoenix. For two years the Suns would need to treat Irving as a free agent under contract and use the next 24 months to recruit him in-house.Pairing Irving with rising star Devin Booker would give the Suns a formidable duo. Shumpert would replace Dudley and Jefferson would return home. In 2019 when Irving and Booker are free agents, Phoenix could have $30 million in cap space to land an impact free agent and also bring back its backcourt. Destination: Phoenix Suns (with help from the Knicks)Suns get: Kyrie Irving, Mindaugas Kuzminskas and Willy HernangomezKnicks get: Kevin Love and Iman ShumpertCavaliers get: Carmelo Anthony, Eric Bledsoe and Jared DudleyView in ESPN's Trade MachineTom Haberstroh: Let's kill two birds with one stone, shall we? LeBron gets his man Carmelo Anthony while also arming himself with a pair of two-way players in Bledsoe and Dudley. Bledsoe can defend both guard positions and Dudley unlocks some much-needed versatility on the other end.Above all else, the Cavs need a defensive upgrade and this deal would achieve that for a team that ranked 29th in defensive efficiency after the All-Star break. Even more, Anthony's presence also could entice James to re-sign with his pal in Cleveland rather than bolt for greener pastures.The Knicks would do this deal to get a fresh start in the post-Melo world while not having to give up Kristaps Porzingis. Phoenix gets a star to replace Bledsoe and a promising young stud in Hernangomez. Devin Booker and Irving would rival Portland, Golden State and Washington as the top scoring backcourt in the league. While I like a straight-up deal of Kyrie Irving for Eric Bledsoe and Jared Dudley, this trade would also bring a welcome conclusion to the MeloDrama in New York. Destination: Minnesota Timberwolves (in December)Minnesota gets: Kyrie Irving and JR SmithCleveland Cavaliers get: Jeff Teague and Andrew WigginsNote: Teague can be traded on Dec. 15.Kevin Pelton: Of the teams on Irving's list of preferred destinations, as reported by ESPN's Chris Haynes, the Timberwolves have the best shot at offering the Cavaliers reasonable return for Smith. As a former No. 1 overall pick who has proved to be a high scorer at a young age, Wiggins plausibly has about as much trade value as Irving. And, if Cleveland is willing to hold out until Teague can be traded on Dec. 15, Minnesota could offer a solid starting point guard as well.Given Minnesota's limited depth on the perimeter, a trade is workable only if the Timberwolves are getting Smith too, meaning the two teams functionally swap backcourts and the Cavaliers cut their luxury-tax bill substantially. Minnesota would upgrade its shooting at both guard spots, save some money after the season (presuming Wiggins will be maxed out on his next contract) and not get dramatically older.Given my skepticism of Wiggins' ability to become an above-average defender or efficient scorer, I'd make this deal as the Timberwolves. And if Cleveland views Wiggins as a budding star on the wing with the size and athleticism to develop into a stopper -- and remember, the Cavaliers drafted him No. 1 just three years ago -- they might see this as their best option too. Destination: Utah Jazz (in January)Jazz get: Kyrie Irving and Edy TavaresCavaliers get: Dante Exum, Joe Ingles and Donovan MitchellNote: Ingles can't be traded until mid-January.Chris Herring: If the Cavs can't find the right trade before the season starts, this one would be appealing before the deadline. The deal would be risky for the Jazz, who would be giving up a starter and two potential rotation players, one of whom is a rookie coming off an impressive summer league showing. Beyond that, Utah already has a point guard in Ricky Rubio, limiting the need for another floor general. But without Gordon Hayward, the Jazz could desperately use another young, one-on-one scoring option. Unlike most teams that wouldn't have the defensive strength to make up for Irving's shortcomings on that end, Utah -- with Rudy Gobert as a backstop -- might have the most fearsome rim protector in the NBA.The move would likely require the Jazz to take a page out of Houston's book and start two point guards. Offensively, the two of them could likely coexist seamlessly (and Irving would be the unquestioned No. 1 option, since Gobert doesn't require a ton of touches). Where Irving can put on lengthy dribbling displays that stagnate the offense, Rubio moves the ball. Where Rubio struggles to shoot, Irving is one of the best marksmen in the league.On the other hand, Cleveland gets a mix of both young and veteran players, both to help LeBron contend this coming season and to prepare for the possibility that he may leave. This deal, which might also take a first-round pick from Utah to complete, would accomplish both those things, all while improving the club's defense considerably. 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