housepicks Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Don't think you can night trade at Robin Hood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hey guys I thought we were talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Will one of you savants look at VIG for me? I have been in it for a while. I probably did some research two years ago and found it, but looking to add some BTC profits somewhere...appreciate opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Will one of you savants look at VIG for me? I have been in it for a while. I probably did some research two years ago and found it, but looking to add some BTC profits somewhere...appreciate opinions.Is that the vangard fund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is that the vangard fund? It is a Vanguard fund yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is a Vanguard fund yes.Ok, so thats a long term investment, holding dividend stocks, over time it'll be good I imagine. You're not gonna get the big gains in a good year though, although considering this years market, it's a contrarion play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Ok, so thats a long term investment, holding dividend stocks, over time it'll be good I imagine. You're not gonna get the big gains in a good year though, although considering this years market, it's a contrarion play. Ameritrade shows my percentage gain as 18.22%. I assume that is since I bought it, which was about 22 months ago (as opposed to one year). ..not sure if that includes the dividends or not. I assume not. Of course after crypto, that seems miniscule, but those days are gone, and I would be delighted to get 11% if I could. So you mean in a better market there are better things to bein, but this is more of a safe bet? I want fairly safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Ameritrade shows my percentage gain as 18.22%. I assume that is since I bought it, which was about 22 months ago (as opposed to one year). ..not sure if that includes the dividends or not. I assume not. Of course after crypto, that seems miniscule, but those days are gone, and I would be delighted to get 11% if I could. So you mean in a better market there are better things to bein, but this is more of a safe bet? I want fairly safe.Yes, obviously the market is not going to keep going up 25% a year. Looking at the returns on that fund the last 10 years or so History 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 VIG (Price) -26.69 19.57 14.74 6.16 11.65 28.87 10.08 -1.95 11.97 22.22 So last years return of 22% was way better than avg, looks like a conservative fund for the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 My acorn account lost 16 cents its first day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yes, obviously the market is not going to keep going up 25% a year. Looking at the returns on that fund the last 10 years or so History 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 VIG (Price) -26.69 19.57 14.74 6.16 11.65 28.87 10.08 -1.95 11.97 22.22 So last years return of 22% was way better than avg, looks like a conservative fund for the long term.Well obviously 2017 was a banner year. I’m not trying to compare it to 2008 or other years, but rather other investment vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Well obviously 2017 was a banner year. I’m not trying to compare it to 2008 or other years, but rather other investment vehicles.I think it looks fine, I have over half of my funds in the T Rowe Price Capital Appreciation fund. alendar Year Total Returns 2008 -27.17% 2009 33.05% 2010 14.07% 2011 3.19% 2012 14.70% 2013 22.43% 2014 12.25% 2015 5.42% 2016 8.22% 2017 15.38% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 S&P up over 25% in the last year with 3-4% GDP growth. With guys like Teddy trying to start putting money in the market, it might be time to start buying puts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 What's a put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 It's an option that when bought (can also be written and sold), it allows the owner of the option to sell an underlying stock, ETF, commodity, etc. at a specific price (strike) prior to the expiration of the option. Buying a put would essentially be shorting the underlying asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 I've got so much to learn. Good thing about the union is my money is I have a local annuity and pension that I don't really need to think about. I'll probably end up with 4-5 k a month based on credits for years of service.My other account..I think it's the annuity has about 120k right now but can't dictate how's it's invested. But, I'd like to play around with some stuff myself because why the fuck not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 It's an option that when bought (can also be written and sold), it allows the owner of the option to sell an underlying stock, ETF, commodity, etc. at a specific price (strike) prior to the expiration of the option. Buying a put would essentially be shorting the underlying asset. Which is probably a good thing because this is Greek to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRevolver Posted February 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Good info in here, boys. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 It's an option that when bought (can also be written and sold), it allows the owner of the option to sell an underlying stock, ETF, commodity, etc. at a specific price (strike) prior to the expiration of the option. Buying a put would essentially be shorting the underlying asset.Tell him about the short squeeze Monkey. You can lose every dime you have and more if you short a stock at the wrong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Short squeezes only apply to borrowed stocks - not options. The most you can lose on buying an option is the cost of the contract if the option expires worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Short squeezes only apply to borrowed stocks - not options. The most you can lose on buying an option is the cost of the contract if the option expires worthless.I know, but you mentioned shorting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Yes. Shorting with options (buying puts or you could also sell calls but your upside would be limited to the option premium). There is more than one way to short a stock and they don't all involve margin/short squeeze risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 I think it was maybe 10 years ago there was a short squeeze on volkswagon stock, it went from something like 40-500 in a flash as the shorts scrambled to cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdalert447 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 S&P up over 25% in the last year with 3-4% GDP growth. With guys like Teddy trying to start putting money in the market, it might be time to start buying puts.Loll. This was good for a chuckle. And it's probably true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 I think it was maybe 10 years ago there was a short squeeze on volkswagon stock, it went from something like 40-500 in a flash as the shorts scrambled to cover. Yeah. It can also happen on long margin positions like when GT Advanced Technologies went bankrupt. Margin calls aren't only limited to short positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Yeah. It can also happen on long margin positions like when GT Advanced Technologies went bankrupt. Margin calls aren't only limited to short positions.I looked it up, VW went from 200 to 1000 in a couple days, apparently Porshe had locked up 75 % of the shares and 20% were owned by a german govt agency. So there were only 5% of shares floating and the short position was 15%, for a couple days VW was the most valuable stock in the world. Those poor bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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