rito Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 No, I said a lot of them would try gambling with major amounts of money. But that is a long-term forecast. It will take years for the market to develop in New Jersey. But if New York comes online, watch out. There is already a huge market there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Why, you disagree. I am in the minority here. If everyone agrees that something is going to happen, bet against it. You are 100% off base on everything you've posted here. Nobody looks to New Jersey for ANYTHING. USA market leader? HAHAHAHA, The Asian and European markets dwarf anything the US might become in volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 There is already a huge market there. Not in legalized gambling. When they can bet online legally with a US sportsbook, the gambling world is going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 You are 100% off base on everything you've posted here. Nobody looks to New Jersey for ANYTHING. USA market leader? HAHAHAHA, The Asian and European markets dwarf anything the US might become in volume. Hoffa you do not even know that you do not have the right to trial by jury. Wake up. Sports betting is about to be legal in New Jersey. You are going to be even more confused in a few years than you are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Does Nevada follow Bookmaker? Most books get their lines from LVSC. Some books clone the market. Not Bookmaker specifically. And it's sometimes difficult to tell if it's cloning, betting simultaneously, or people chasing steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Hoffa you do not even know that you do not have the right to trial by jury. That hasn't occurred ONCE in the 17 years since the Patriot Act was passed. I've forgotten more about constitutional law than you will ever know, same goes for gambling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Most books get their lines from LVSC. Some books clone the market. Not Bookmaker. The market clones Bookmaker/Pinnacle or some combination. Does LVSC set openers and have lines up before Bookmaker and the others increase limits. I don't know the first thing about Vegas lines because I ignore them. But from what I know of their early lines, they are guaranteed money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 That hasn't occurred ONCE in the 17 years since the Patriot Act was passed. I've forgotten more about constitutional law than you will ever know, same goers for gambling... Oh Lord. More of the benevolent dictator nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Not in legalized gambling. When they can bet online legally with a US sportsbook, the gambling world is going to change. Oh boy multiple states where I can't bet at Will Hillhttps://twitter.cdarrenrovell/status/1004030113640353793https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/100403011364035393 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Oh boy multiple states where I can't bet at Will Hill https://twitter.cdarrenrovell/status/1004030113640353793 https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/100403011364035393 What happens this year or even in the next few years will have little meaning. Delaware is completely irrelevant. Delaware is a follower. Not a leader. Let's see what the New Jersey market looks like once there are maybe five operations taking bets. Then we will have a feel for where things are. Right now, these casinos are just bidding their time waiting to get this stuff on the books. Once they do, they will go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 The market clones Bookmaker/Pinnacle or some combination. Does LVSC set openers and have lines up before Bookmaker and the others increase limits. I don't know the first thing about Vegas lines because I ignore them. But from what I know of their early lines, they are guaranteed money. I said some books. Not all. Mobile apps make it appear that all Nevada books are cloning today because people are either betting at the same time or chasing offshore steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 I said some books. Not all. Mobile apps make it appear that all Nevada books are cloning today because people are either betting at the same time or chasing offshore steam. OK, if a Nevada books does not clone will they get their ass handed to them or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 What happens this year or even in the next few years will have little meaning. Delaware is completely irrelevant. Delaware is a follower. Not a leader. Let's see what the New Jersey market looks like once there are maybe five operations taking bets. Then we will have a feel for where things are. Right now, these casinos are just bidding their time waiting to get this stuff on the books. Once they do, they will go to work. Just weird. How is Delaware following? They have it out in front of every other state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 What happens this year or even in the next few years will have little meaning. Delaware is completely irrelevant. Delaware is a follower. Not a leader. Let's see what the New Jersey market looks like once there are maybe five operations taking bets. Then we will have a feel for where things are. Right now, these casinos are just bidding their time waiting to get this stuff on the books. Once they do, they will go to work. I'm sorry is New Jersey not still a shithole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 OK, if a Nevada books does not clone will they get their ass handed to them or not? Not if it's a legit market and they move on volume. Does Pinnacle or Bookmaker get their ass handed to them? How do they do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Anyone know what the fuck the World Soccer Championship is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just weird. How is Delaware following? They have it out in front of every other state. Well, would we have legalized sports betting if it were up to Delaware? Not a chance in hell. They are following NJ right down the line. They are going to do every single thing the way NJ does it. They are even afraid of the NCAA. They are not serious about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 I'm sorry is New Jersey not still a shithole? It is one of the wealthiest states in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Not if it's a legit market and they move on volume. Does Pinnacle or Bookmaker get their ass handed to them? How do they do it? OK, from what I understand Vegas has 3% of the US betting market or some such. They are not really even in the game all that much. Now that is about to change over a period of years when US casinos actually become a significant handle of the US market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Anyone know what the fuck the World Soccer Championship is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Well, would we have legalized sports betting if it were up to Delaware? Not a chance in hell. They are following NJ right down the line. They are going to do every single thing the way NJ does it. They are even afraid of the NCAA. They are not serious about this. LOL. They've had parlays up for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 OK, from what I understand Vegas has 3% of the US betting market or some such. They are not really even in the game all that much. Now that is about to change over a period of years when US casinos actually become a significant handle of the US market. Of course, it's going to change. What do you think I'm talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 I'm sorry is New Jersey not still a shithole? Simmer down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Of course, it's going to change. What do you think I'm talking about? That is still going to take probably a decade. People like yourself will not be allowed to bet in Delaware. So the market is going to be determined by the major offshores. When Will Hill has sees Bookmaker move a point, they are moving without question no matter what their book says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 In any case, the books are not going to have different positions because the US market is going to move in the right direction. So adding more people to the market is just going to make the market more efficient. So the idea that there are going to be varying market prices is a false premise. That cannot really happen. It could be that the US market will be slightly square but the books are going to know that and move off Bookmaker and try to make a profit by holding more on the sharp side. At some point, a major US bookmaking operation will emerge and be considered to have the sharpest lines and lines will move off them. But that really changes little. There will never be a time when there will be varying market prices because the market knows to slam those numbers blindly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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