timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Today, 02:19 PM#30 ComptrBob Member Join Date Apr 30, 2006 Location Lake Tahoe, CA Posts 3,378 [h=2] Re: Do Las Vegas books have to honor all bets or are there cases of voided bets due to a bad line?[/h] Long ago at JA Nugget in Sparks, I made a bet on a Big West basketball game that had about a 3 hour time change that hadn't been recorded in their computer. The game was already finished when I bet it off the board. It was a very small bet to see what they would do with it. About 20 minutes later, the writer came over and asked if he could get the ticket back since the game had already been played. I acted surprised and said sure (since I was only curious if they would notice). Until the day he left the Nugget, he would always give me a stack of drink tickets whenever I asked for one or two. Another, more recent time was at JA Nugget as a Leroy's book, during an NFL halftime when a group of clueless bettors would habitually cluster around the several windows to see the lines as the 10:00AM games would go to the half. The 2H of one game, WAS vs DAL, was posted +7 for the team that should have been -7. I remember when the new electronic board flashed it, I whispered to my buddy, "that's the wrong line". Every guy in the group of "clueless" just stood there, no one made a move to bet, as we discussed what size bet would fall under the radar. We didn't want to trigger the approval process and not get a bet down. We both kindly shoved our way past the "clueless" to the windows and bet the +7 for something like $220 each. Both bets cleared and the bad line stayed up for another 5 minutes. Finally it changed from +7 to the -7 and I considered betting the other side to get the middle but that line was correct so I let it ride. The "bad line" bet won and was paid, Leroy's just probably ate the loss. Just FTR the middle did hit ..LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 So little integrity with most guys at these sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 i don't buy the whole "very small bet to see what they would do with it" either you tell them it's a bad line or walk away... size of the bet doesn't matter, if you knowingly bet the bad line then that's taking a shot i'm not saying it's the worst crime in the world, but it's nothing to be proud of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNVOLFAN Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Railbird had a post in that same thread that was just as bad as this one....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 he is the smartest guy John Kelly knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 lord add another one to my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 BTW GREAT find TTP. Gotta admit I am shocked at Bob. ANOTHER one I miss judged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 unreal JK is friends with nothing but shot taking crooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Terrible but then the additional parts of the story "Whispered to my buddy thats the wrong line" "Discussed what bet size would fall under the radar" Then the shoving past the clueless guys who probably didnt want to take a shot. Piece of garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 he is the smartest guy John Kelly knows Werent you shocked he said that when he knows you??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Terrible but then the additional parts of the story "Whispered to my buddy thats the wrong line" "Discussed what bet size would fall under the radar" Then the shoving past the clueless guys who probably didnt want to take a shot. Piece of garbage well said people laugh at me for averaging 145.50FP a week from betjam when they were around i would alert them of mistakes all the time scotty always gave 25fp per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Railbird had a post in that same thread that was just as bad as this one....................... yup and I commented on that some place, I forget where. Rail basically said he cheats and no one took notice Lord I wish it were possible to have a forum where cheaters or people looking to take advantage of others were looked down upon and not embraced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Lol at Boats hypocrisy... Guy unbanned landers for traffic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Deemer men talking here. Go grab your sippy cup and take a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookbraker Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 IMO betting "bad lines" isn't nearly as bad as knowingly betting a game which the results were in. The latter is stealing. No way you could lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetopay Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think everyone realizes Rail is a scumbag as to why know one even gave a shit. I know thats why i didnt say anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsouth Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 yup and I commented on that some place, I forget where. Rail basically said he cheats and no one took notice Lord I wish it were possible to have a forum where cheaters or people looking to take advantage of others were looked down upon and not embraced your dealing with gamblers who play with books where 99% of the books would take advantage of you if they could get away with it and still stay in business. The guys who absolutely will not take shots do not exist. The whole concept behind 99% of offshores is to take advantage of players that cannot win. Show your competent and generally you are shown the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Lol at Boats hypocrisy... Guy unbanned landers for traffic... I don't control banning be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The whole concept behind 99% of offshores is to take advantage of players that cannot win. Show your competent and generally you are shown the door. I don't agree at all. I KNOW I wont win (long term) but don't consider a book taking advantage of me by allowing me to play there. And yes they are ALLOWING me. And if I were to as you say be "competent" and look like I could harm their bottom line, they certainly have the right to no allow me to play there, just as I have the right to not choose them to play with prior to playing there. No player is forced to play at any book nor is any book forced to allow a certain player. yes books fold or don't pay out and when that happens its NOT RIGHT, but on the flip side we seldom hear about the things done to books that make this "hobby" difficult for all of us. Its a 2 way street. rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Werent you shocked he said that when he knows you??? Haha. I think he would agree I am much smarter than himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanie Mac Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Funniest part is people actually believing rail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 your dealing with gamblers who play with books where 99% of the books would take advantage of you if they could get away with it and still stay in business. The guys who absolutely will not take shots do not exist. The whole concept behind 99% of offshores is to take advantage of players that cannot win. Show your competent and generally you are shown the door. justifying bad behavior because the other side of the table would do the same thing? i think there are plenty of people who don't and won't take shots, they're called people with a conscience and people that can sleep at night!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyEatWorld Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 your dealing with gamblers who play with books where 99% of the books would take advantage of you if they could get away with it and still stay in business. The guys who absolutely will not take shots do not exist. The whole concept behind 99% of offshores is to take advantage of players that cannot win. Show your competent and generally you are shown the door. What's your view on Bet Islands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2w2p2s Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 IMO betting "bad lines" isn't nearly as bad as knowingly betting a game which the results were in. The latter is stealing. No way you could lose. Correct. This is a gambling forum so it's assumed posters here are better able to recognize when a line is off. Most wouldn't have a clue and the book could have accepted wagers on the other side. They aren't going to try and track down those that wagered on the wrong side to provide a refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Correct. This is a gambling forum so it's assumed posters here are better able to recognize when a line is off. Most wouldn't have a clue and the book could have accepted wagers on the other side. They aren't going to try and track down those that wagered on the wrong side to provide a refund. Bob said he KNEW the line was off by 14 and made what he felt was the max wager he could make without it triggering a need for mgr approval. as bad as betting a game that's over............sure I guess not, cuz you still could lose. But if you KNOW a line is off 14 and place a wager. Well it says a great deal about you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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