Let's talk about the Catholic Church

[WVU]

7% of all priests in Australia have been abusive to children according to http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/asia/australia-catholic-sex-abuse/index.html

 

So when do the prosecutions start?  Why hasn't there been a real movement to have the Catholic Church shut down?  I think it is time for real changes in the Catholic Church and not pretend changes.  I expect guilty priests to be punished, but will they?  I lean towards no which is disgusting.

[Deemer]

Catholics are going to heaven 1st

 

-Deemer

[WVU]

Catholics are going to heaven 1st

 

-Deemer

It seems to me that at least 7% of all priests will be going to Hell to live in eternal fire.  Does the state expect that to be punishment enough?  I would prefer some punishment while these sexual deviants are still alive.

[joeybagadonuts]

Absolute scum.

 

Time to break up the worldest biggest scam and take down the the churches.

[Deemer]

Catholics believe if on judgment day, one repents his/her sins they will be able to enter into heaven

[rjt]

7% is probably low. You have to be a sick fuck to devote your life to church

[bookbraker]

from politics to religion.

 

 

onward and upward!

[WVU]

Catholics believe if on judgment day, one repents his/her sins they will be able to enter into heaven

do you believe this?

[WVU]

7% is probably low. You have to be a sick fuck to devote your life to church

no doubt 7% is low, but they are doing a good job of pretending to be flabbergasted with the final numbers

[sugardaddy]

Not Catholic. It is odd how they apparently manage and even are willing to help priests escape justice.

[rjt]

Grew up in Boston where the Catholic church scandal started.  Italian family so obviously raised Catholic.  My dad wouldn't even let me go to church as a kid (not that I wanted to anyway) because he didn't want me anywhere near priests.  Dad was an altar boy as kid and went to Catholic school his whole life.  He said half the priests he knew back then showed up years later on the list of sexual abusers.

[WVU]

Grew up in Boston where the Catholic church scandal started.  Italian family so obviously raised Catholic.  My dad wouldn't even let me go to church as a kid (not that I wanted to anyway) because he didn't want me anywhere near priests.  Dad was an altar boy as kid and went to Catholic school his whole life.  He said half the priests he knew back then showed up years later on the list of sexual abusers.

wow, rjt, interesting.  I bet your father witnessed more than he wants to say.  He should have gotten in line to get paid.

[milwaukee mike]

wow, rjt, interesting.  I bet your father witnessed more than he wants to say.  He should have gotten in line to get paid.

 

some people have more integrity than that... no amount of blood money makes it better, in fact i'm guessing for most people it would make it worse

 

my mother was bed ridden for years and no way were we gonna be part of the cigarette lawsuits

[BranchDavidian]

7% of all priests in Australia have been abusive to children according to http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/asia/australia-catholic-sex-abuse/index.html

 

So when do the prosecutions start?  Why hasn't there been a real movement to have the Catholic Church shut down?  I think it is time for real changes in the Catholic Church and not pretend changes.  I expect guilty priests to be punished, but will they?  I lean towards no which is disgusting.

 

Amazing what the fear of death has done to humanity.

 

As a species, we will believe ANYTHING if it promises we won't die.  And, once we accept this belief, we will ignore ANYTHING that gets in the way of that belief.

 

Religion is the most destructive force on this planet.

[milwaukee mike]

Amazing what the fear of death has done to humanity.

 

As a species, we will believe ANYTHING if it promises we won't die.  And, once we accept this belief, we will ignore ANYTHING that gets in the way of that belief.

 

Religion is the most destructive force on this planet.

 

organized religion (at least in the milwaukee area) seemed to be a good idea when i grew up... they used donations to feed and house the poor, etc

 

now that the government gives out welfare and food stamps, the church uses their money for less charitable things and there's no need for it

[jasson621]

Absolute scum.

 

Time to break up the worldest biggest scam and take down the the churches.

 

I agree modern religion was created by the rich and powerful to prey upon the poor and weak. The problem would be liberals in this country would only try and stifle Christianity and allow muzzies a free pass as to not hurt their feelings so it won't work.

[Bfo]

organized religion (at least in the milwaukee area) seemed to be a good idea when i grew up... they used donations to feed and house the poor, etc

 

now that the government gives out welfare and food stamps, the church uses their money for less charitable things and there's no need for it

Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.

[sports j]

If jared from subway became a priest he would b a free man

[IAG]

I'm Non-catholic Christian, ( but not arguing religion here! ). I just want to know why Catholic priests have such a high rate of child molestation? It's abhorrent. Is it because of the abstinence/can't marry thing, or is it something else? Do priests have more direct un supervised access to children? Are Catholics being unfairly singled out because of the coverups? I have no idea. I believe most other denominations allow for marriage, so if that is the main reason, the Catholic church should change that position immediately. From what I've read, it's more a traditional thing, than rooted deeply in doctrine.

[Sol Aristatel]

I'm Non-catholic Christian, ( but not arguing religion here! ). I just want to know why Catholic priests have such a high rate of child molestation? It's abhorrent. Is it because of the abstinence/can't marry thing, or is it something else? Do priests have more direct un supervised access to children? Are Catholics being unfairly singled out because of the coverups? I have no idea. I believe most other denominations allow for marriage, so if that is the main reason, the Catholic church should change that position immediately. From what I've read, it's more a traditional thing, than rooted deeply in doctrine.

Yeah. It's stupid. No where in the Bible does it say one must abstain from sexual relations with the other sex in order to lead a Church. Just like it makes no mention of buying an IDULGENCE to pay for your sins. Both dumb and both non- Biblical.

 

Just good examples of how man has twisted religion to fit his needs. There is no organized group in the history of the planet that is more corrupt than the Catholic Church.

[IAG]

Yeah. It's stupid. No where in the Bible does it say one must abstain from sexual relations with the other sex in order to lead a Church. Just like it makes no mention of buying an IDULGENCE to pay for your sins. Both dumb and both non- Biblical.

Just good examples of how man has twisted religion to fit his needs. There is no organized group in the history of the planet that is more corrupt than the Catholic Church.

And they are the only denomination of Christianity that oks and even promotes gambling..lol. There maybe others, but I don't recall seeing superbowl pools at any of the Protestant churches around here.... Can't have sex with a wife, but would you like to buy some squares?

[WVU]

Have there been real prosecutions?  Why does the state or feds allow the church to handle this stuff internally?  My work place doesn't get to decide what happens to me if I rape someone at work.

[Dingo]

The Catholic Church is very sneaky

We had residential schools for the natives in the 60-70s ,lots of sexual abuse

When the lawsuits and criminal charges were happening all the priest were given transfers to different countries with no extradition agreements with Canada

The church still paid millions in settlements but not one person was charged

[IAG]

Found this when researching my above question;

 

 

Question: "What is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why are there pedophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church?"

 

Answer: In recent years, hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals have come forward claiming sexual abuse from priests in the Roman Catholic Church. Numerous "pedophile priests" have been identified. Sadly, rather than defrocking the priests (removing from the priesthood), the Catholic Church has in most instances attempted to cover up the sexual abuse by transferring the offending priest(s) to different parishes. The scandal and attempted cover-up continues to expand, reaching all the way to the papacy itself. So, what is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why does pedophilia seem to be such a common problem among Roman Catholic priests?

 

First, let us be abundantly clear, as an Evangelical Protestant Christian organization, we have strong disagreements with virtually every area of Roman Catholic doctrine and practice.

 

Second, with the priesthood of all believers and Jesus' fulfillment/completion of the Old Testament sacrificial system and priesthood, we do not believe the New Testament instructs that there should even be priests. Biblically speaking, a priest is a mediator (primarily through sacrifices) between God and man. With Jesus as our High Priest, we already have direct access to God (Hebrews 4:14-16) and have no need for any other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).

 

Third, it is important not to take the horribly evil actions of some Roman Catholic priests and attribute them to the entire Roman Catholic priesthood. While we strongly disagree with Roman Catholic doctrine and practice, we have no doubt that many Roman Catholic priests truly love the Lord Jesus Christ, truly desire to minister to people, and would absolutely never molest a child. It is impossible to discover how many "pedophile priests" have been, or still are, active in the Roman Catholic Church. Whatever the number is, it is surely an exceedingly small percentage. The vast majority of Catholic priests has never, and would never, molest or harm a child in any way.

 

Back to the question at hand, what is the cause of the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Roman Catholic Church? Our contention is that the unbiblical requirement that priests be celibate is a primary cause. It is biblical to say that celibacy can be useful to ministry (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). At the same time, it is completely unbiblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders. In the qualifications of church leadership (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9), the apostle Paul assumes that bishops, elders, overseers, and deacons will be married and have children. While these qualifications should not be viewed as requiring marriage/family to serve in church leadership, they are most definitely an allowance for married men to serve as leaders in the church. It is, therefore, completely anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders.

 

The unbiblical requirement of celibacy on priests in the Roman Catholic Church likely contributes to sexual abuse in that men whom God never intended to be celibate are forced into celibacy, resulting in sexual tension and stress. Also, the stricture of celibacy is appealing to some men with abnormal sexual tendencies who view the priesthood as a means of keeping their desires under control. These men find that external rules do little to change the heart, and, when they give in to sexual temptations, the result is unnatural sexual acts, such as homosexuality or pedophilia.

 

Compounding the problem is the Catholic teaching of “once a priest, always a priest.” The fact that the “sacred ordination” cannot be invalidated has contributed to a reluctance to defrock pedophile priests. When abusive priests are transferred to different parishes, the same behavior is repeated. Also, lax rule enforcement and cover-ups have encouraged the application of pedophiles to the priesthood. Many pedophiles see the priesthood as a means of easy, unsupervised access to children.

 

Whatever the cause of the sexual abuse in the church, pedophile priests should be arrested and punished just as any other pedophile would be. Anyone covering up or, by negligence, enabling pedophilia in the church should be prosecuted. A priest who has sexually abused anyone should never be allowed back into church leadership, as he could most definitely not be considered "above reproach" (1 Timothy 3:2).

 

The pedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church is absolutely horrid. There is nothing more antithetical to the message of Christ than priests sexually abusing children. May God use this scandal to awaken the church of Jesus Christ to the presence of apostates within the church and to strongly motivate the church to be fully biblical in all of its beliefs and practices.

[rito]

organized religion (at least in the milwaukee area) seemed to be a good idea when i grew up... they used donations to feed and house the poor, etc

 

now that the government gives out welfare and food stamps, the church uses their money for less charitable things and there's no need for it

 

the gov't gave out more welfare where you were growing up