Trump wins again

[Bigrunner]

Very interesting read and I appreciate you sharing.

 

While complexities abound, I think the main reason folks are diggin' Trump's approach to China is that he's not afraid to go heads up. He isn't being fake delicate or anything. He's employing a style that no one is quite used to and goes against norms.

 

And with him being unpredictable, he can go in a myriad of ways, which forces folks to show their hands sooner.

 

We haven't truly won anything, but we are in a winning position. Seal claps or not.

I disagree with most of what you're digging!

 

Sane educated folks don't like gamblers. Most gamblers are losers. Trump is a loser and has been losing. How many companies has he bankrupted. Who bankrupts a massive casino? The Trump University founder does.

 

Good luck Mach with your gamble, you're gonna need it.

[Machiavelli]

NK was the perfect example of the Idiot's Bluster, which his cultists bought, with no substance.   I am all for talking to the enemy and hope it continues, but it has to be with someone who can stand up to them, and the Idiot isn't that person.   Un played the Idiot perfectly.   Compliment him and you own him.   

Unlike the hypocrites that blasted Obama when he raised the possibility of talks with our enemies, talking is how things get done, like the Iran Nuclear treaty, which, unfortunately the Idiot has abandoned.    Luckily the rest of the sane world that agreed to it hasn't to this point, and Iran hasn't yet, so all his leaving did was continue to make a mockery of his and America's word on anything.  

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/world/asia/trump-north-korea-kim-jong-un.html

Fact Check: Is There Truth to Trump’s Bold Claims About North Korean Denuclearization?

President Trump has made bold claims about what his June 12 summit meeting with Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, achieved.

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Doug Mills/The New York Times

 

President Trump has made bold claims about what his June 12 summit meeting with Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, achieved.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times

By Choe Sang-Hun

June 22, 2018

 

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SEOUL, South Korea — President Trump said on Thursday that North Korea had already begun to denuclearize, as he continued to trumpet the results of his summit meeting last week with the North’s leader, Kim Jong-un.

 

At the June 12 meeting in Singapore, Mr. Kim agreed to “work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.” But the joint statement the two leaders signed lacked details about when North Korea would dismantle its nuclear program and under what terms, or even what specifically was meant by “denuclearization.”

 

Since then, Mr. Trump has made bold claims about what was achieved in Singapore, asserting that there is “no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea” and that the nuclear crisis is now “largely solved.” Such statements have led to accusations that he is misleading the public. (The North, for instance, has just as many nuclear weapons as it did before the summit talks.)

 

Here are a few of the assertions Mr. Trump made during a cabinet meeting on Thursday, and a look at how they compare with the facts:

 

‘They’ve stopped the sending of missiles, including ballistic missiles’

True.

 

Last November, North Korea launched an intercontinental ballistic missile that officials said was powerful enough to reach the mainland United States, the latest in a series of missile tests that the North carried out last year. (It also tested a nuclear weapon in September.) Since then, it has not launched any missiles. Its suspension of both nuclear and missile tests eased the way for Mr. Kim’s meeting with South Korea’s president, Moon Jae-in, in late April and his talks with Mr. Trump.

 

In April, North Korea said it no longer needed to test nuclear weapons or intercontinental ballistic missiles because it had finished building its nuclear deterrent. But some Western analysts doubt that the North has truly mastered all the technologies needed to deliver warheads that can survive re-entry into the Earth’s atmosphere and hit targets across the Pacific.

 

‘They’re destroying their engine site. They’re blowing it up.’

Premature.

 

Speaking to reporters in Singapore after the summit meeting, Mr. Trump said North Korea had promised to dismantle a facility for testing missile engines. North Korea has yet to confirm that Mr. Kim made such a promise, nor has it announced any plans to destroy such a facility.

 

Mr. Trump did not say what site he was referring to. Analysts have focused on a facility at the Sohae Satellite Launching Ground in Tongchang-ri, in northwestern North Korea. In March of last year, North Korea successfully tested a new high-thrust engine there, one that analysts said was later used to power its intercontinental ballistic missiles.

 

Satellite imagery from June 12, the day of the summit meeting, revealed no signs that preparations were underway to dismantle the engine test stand at Tongchang-ri, Joseph S. Bermudez Jr., an expert on the North’s missile programs, said in an analysis posted on the website 38 North.

 

Destroying an engine-testing site would not necessarily mean that North Korea was abandoning its intercontinental ballistic missile program. But it would be taken as a confidence-building step by Washington and its allies as they enter negotiations with North Korea over implementing the summit agreement.

 

“While there are other vertical engine test stands in North Korea, the one at Sohae is the most well developed and its destruction would represent a significant symbolic and practical step forward for North Korea,” Mr. Bermudez wrote.

 

‘They’ve already blown up one of their big test sites. In fact, it was actually four of their big test sites.’

Exaggerated.

 

There is no evidence that the North Koreans have blown up “four of their big test sites,” whether nuclear or missile-related.

 

But in May, with the international news media watching, the North did detonate explosives at the site where it conducted all six of its nuclear tests to date, characterizing it as a dismantling of the facility. Three tunnels were demolished at the site in Punggye-ri, in northeastern North Korea, which is the North’s only known nuclear test site.

 

However, no experts from the United Nations or any other independent body were present to verify whether the site had been completely destroyed, or whether it could be repaired should North Korea decide to resume testing.

 

Reports also emerged early this month that the North had razed a stand that it used to test launching technologies for solid-fuel ballistic missiles. But there are no signs that North Korea has destroyed any other nuclear or missile test facilities.

 

‘It will be a total denuclearization, which is already starting taking place’

Dubious.

 

If the steps described above are considered part of the denuclearization process, then it can indeed be said to have begun — though all of them took place before the Singapore talks.

 

But many analysts say that North Korea cannot be said to have started denuclearizing until it begins actually dismantling its nuclear weapons, which has not happened. Nor has the North started disposing of its fissile materials or the facilities, such as centrifuges and a nuclear reactor, that have been used to produce them. And it has said nothing about when, or whether, it will dismantle the missiles that it says can deliver nuclear warheads.

 

For his part, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters on Wednesday that he knew of no steps that North Korea had taken toward denuclearization. “I’m not aware of any,” he said. “Obviously, we’re at the very front end of the process. Detailed negotiations have not begun.”

 

‘They’ve already sent back, or are in the process of sending back, the remains of our great heroes who died in North Korea during the war’

Premature.

 

Between 1996 and 2005, American experts and North Korean workers recovered remains believed to be those of more than 220 American soldiers who were killed during the Korean War, which raged from 1950 to 1953. No remains of American war dead have been sent home from North Korea since then.

 

Mr. Kim promised at the Singapore summit to do more, committing the North to returning more American remains from major battle sites, “including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.” Given that commitment — one that would cost Pyongyang little to honor — the North may well return more soldiers’ remains soon, but as of Friday it had not done so.

 

About 5,300 American troops presumed to have been killed in North Korea are still unaccounted for. Even if the North fully cooperates, recovering most of them is likely to take years. Once the remains are gathered, painstaking forensic work must be carried out before they can be positively identified. In the past, some soldiers’ remains sent to the United States from the North were mingled with the bones of unidentified people or even animals.

They haven't been testing or provoking us, right?

 

That is a good thing.

 

And while a course may be mapped, I agree it needs to be followed and verified before the bluster of Trump can be properly praised.

[theguesser]

Very interesting read and I appreciate you sharing. 

 

While complexities abound, I think the main reason folks are diggin' Trump's approach to China is that he's not afraid to go heads up. He isn't being fake delicate or anything. He's employing a style that no one is quite used to and goes against norms. 

 

And with him being unpredictable, he can go in a myriad of ways, which forces folks to show their hands sooner. 

 

We haven't truly won anything, but we are in a winning position. Seal claps or not.

The Folks that like The Idiot in general like him because he's them on steroids.   A message board troll who calls out "the libtards", wails about how "they" are getting things and "we" aren't, how "they" are all against us, that "they" are coming to attack us and "our" way of life.   It's a lot of meaningless bluster, but no substance.    But as we prove here and elsewhere, message board trolls don't really accomplish anything besides being message board trolls.  We don't change minds, we just spout.  And that's fine, none of us can change anything, other than ourselves.   But I want those in positions of power to actually be qualified to do things, understands things, relies on experts, and not his gut, etc.   That is the exact opposite of what the idiot is.   

I don't mean to pick on you, but your above post is exactly what is wrong with his style.   It feels good to you, like he's being tough and unpredictable, but in reality, it's not accomplishing much.   But it feels like it can to you, so you like it.   

 

Who is the successful gambler?   The guy who says he is, constantly tells you he is, only posts his winning tickets, brags, etc?   Or the guy who says little?    

[Machiavelli]

Unfair framing.

 

Understand the point you are trying to make.

 

However, your anti Trump bias won't allow you to concede that anything may be going well.

[theguesser]

They haven't been testing or provoking us, right?

 

That is a good thing.

 

And while a course may be mapped, I agree it needs to be followed and verified before the bluster of Trump can be properly praised.

They completed their tests.   They don't have to provoke us. They compliment the idiot, he declares #winning, and they continue to do what they want to do.  They got what they wanted, a seat at the table.   And some cooperation with their Southern neighbors. 

Are they still calling us the great satan internally, raising their children to hate us, training their cyber specialists to cyber attack us?    I don't know the answers, but any glimpse we ever have of life inside there doesn't seem like much, if anything, has changed.     

[Machiavelli]

They completed their tests.   They don't have to provoke us. They compliment the idiot, he declares #winning, and they continue to do what they want to do.  They got what they wanted, a seat at the table.   And some cooperation with their Southern neighbors. 

Are they still calling us the great satan internally, raising their children to hate us, training their cyber specialists to cyber attack us?    I don't know the answers, but any glimpse we ever have of life inside there doesn't seem like much, if anything, has changed.

 

That's fair.

 

At least they're talking to the South. Or were.

 

Obviously part of a long process. But steps are much better than they have been in decades.

[theguesser]

Unfair framing.

 

Understand the point you are trying to make.

 

However, your anti Trump bias won't allow you to concede that anything may be going well.

Until the needless trade wars, the economy was going pretty well.    I think I gave him credit for not F'ing the good economy he was handed up.    That's about as complimentary as I'm gonna give him, and unfortunately he blew that.   

You know what he can do well going forward?  Infrastructure.   It's the one thing everyone can agree on.   That should have been the first thing he did when he entered office, IMO.   It's badly, badly needed.   Of course his crazy tax cuts to the wealthy have hurt the chances, but if he were to declare, I'm gonna work with the D House on YUGE Infrastructure programs, and we're gonna have to raise taxes to get it done, I will compliment him.  That will be be forward thinking and statesman like.      

[Machiavelli]

Infrastructure was on my list of things I do not like about him if y'all would have taken my bait and asked me.

 

He could do a great bipartisan deal there and prob get his wall money in the Bill.

 

He's still an NY Dem at heart and Schumer would loooooove to work with him on such.

[theguesser]

Infrastructure was on my list of things I do not like about him if y'all would have taken my bait and asked me.

 

He could do a great bipartisan deal there and prob get his wall money in the Bill.

 

He's still an NY Dem at heart and Schumer would loooooove to work with him on such.

Don't get me started on Schumer.   He was my local Brooklyn State assemblyman and then Congressman  way back when.  I saw what a phony and media hound he was back then.   He is a smarter Drumpf basically, all hat, no cattle.   Can't stand him.    But you're right, he'd love to work with Drumpf, if it'll get him more camera time, and Schumer will cave like a bitch on the wall if it was up to him.  

The most dangerous place for a person to be is between a camera and Schumer.  It used to be a microphone, until he got more famous.  

[Machiavelli]

Other thing about China is they're going to purchase more goods\energy \etc. From CNN site. So cutting trade imbalance helps.

 

Schumer def weasel like.

[theguesser]

Other thing about China is they're going to purchase more goods\energy \etc. From CNN site. So cutting trade imbalance helps.

 

Schumer def weasel like.

Like they were before this stupid trade war started?   China will buy what they need to buy, from whoever it makes the most sense for them to buy it from.   The only thing raising tariffs did was cause them to look elsewhere, and hurt American Businesses who engage in trade with China.   

[Machiavelli]

Like they were before this stupid trade war started?   China will buy what they need to buy, from whoever it makes the most sense for them to buy it from.   The only thing raising tariffs did was cause them to look elsewhere, and hurt American Businesses who engage in trade with China.

 

Were they on course to make the same purchases that were announced?

[RDTrains]

President Donald Trump left his top advisers scrambling on Monday to explain a trade deal he claimed he’d struck with China to reduce tariffs on U.S. cars exported to the country -- an agreement that doesn’t exist on paper and hasn’t been confirmed in Beijing.

 

Questioned about the agreement on Monday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Trump’s top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, dialed back expectations and added qualifiers.

 

But I guess this is winning. Congrats?

[RDTrains]

JPMorgan warns investors that Trump’s tweets on purported China deal appear ‘completely fabricated’

 

A new note from investment bank JPMorgan advises traders to not buy into the hype that President Donald Trump has ended his own trade war with China.

 

As reported by CNBC’s Carl Quintanilla, JPMorgan is telling investors that Trump’s declaration this week that China will immediately drop all tariffs on American cars has no basis in reality.

 

In particular, the note said that investors should have “valid reason for caution” when it comes to investing on the hopes that Trump is on the verge of a major breakthrough with China.

 

“It doesn’t seem like anything was actually agreed to at the dinner and White House officials are contorting themselves into pretzels to reconcile Trump’s tweets (which seem if not completely fabricated then grossly exaggerated) with reality,” the note states.

 

Shortly after a dinner meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the G-20 summit in Argentina, Trump excitedly declared that China would eliminate tariffs on American cars and would also start bulk buying American soy beans once again.

 

However, the only concrete measure to have come out from the meeting seems to have been a decision to not further escalate trade tariffs while the United States and China try to hammer out a new deal.

[mikeman]

JPMorgan warns investors that Trump’s tweets on purported China deal appear ‘completely fabricated’

 

A new note from investment bank JPMorgan advises traders to not buy into the hype that President Donald Trump has ended his own trade war with China.

 

As reported by CNBC’s Carl Quintanilla, JPMorgan is telling investors that Trump’s declaration this week that China will immediately drop all tariffs on American cars has no basis in reality.

 

In particular, the note said that investors should have “valid reason for caution” when it comes to investing on the hopes that Trump is on the verge of a major breakthrough with China.

 

“It doesn’t seem like anything was actually agreed to at the dinner and White House officials are contorting themselves into pretzels to reconcile Trump’s tweets (which seem if not completely fabricated then grossly exaggerated) with reality,” the note states.

 

Shortly after a dinner meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the G-20 summit in Argentina, Trump excitedly declared that China would eliminate tariffs on American cars and would also start bulk buying American soy beans once again.

 

However, the only concrete measure to have come out from the meeting seems to have been a decision to not further escalate trade tariffs while the United States and China try to hammer out a new deal.

The problem is JP Morgan has no more idea what really was agreed to than you or me.

[Bigrunner]

JPMorgan warns investors that Trump’s tweets on purported China deal appear ‘completely fabricated’

 

A new note from investment bank JPMorgan advises traders to not buy into the hype that President Donald Trump has ended his own trade war with China.

 

As reported by CNBC’s Carl Quintanilla, JPMorgan is telling investors that Trump’s declaration this week that China will immediately drop all tariffs on American cars has no basis in reality.

 

In particular, the note said that investors should have “valid reason for caution” when it comes to investing on the hopes that Trump is on the verge of a major breakthrough with China.

 

“It doesn’t seem like anything was actually agreed to at the dinner and White House officials are contorting themselves into pretzels to reconcile Trump’s tweets (which seem if not completely fabricated then grossly exaggerated) with reality,” the note states.

 

Shortly after a dinner meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the G-20 summit in Argentina, Trump excitedly declared that China would eliminate tariffs on American cars and would also start bulk buying American soy beans once again.

 

However, the only concrete measure to have come out from the meeting seems to have been a decision to not further escalate trade tariffs while the United States and China try to hammer out a new deal.

This has been the pattern for 2 years. Trump is a Traitor, a crook, a fraudster, and a pathological liar. All he care about is himself. The sooner he's impeached or indicted the sooner  America will start winning!

[FISHHEAD]

America is rolling right now folks!!!

 

 

 

 

Thanks Commander

[RDTrains]

The problem is JP Morgan has no more idea what really was agreed to than you or me.

Apparently neither does Mnunchin or Kudlow.

[mikeman]

Apparently neither does Mnunchin or Kudlow.

China's business model is to make promises or half promises as a delaying tactic. Apparently they made some assurances on trade to trump, and now we'll negotiate and see what happens. All trump did is give them a 2 month extension on higher and additional tariffs, that's a reasonable thing to do, we'll now find out if they're serious or not.

 

Mnunchin, Kudlow, trump, etc, know what verbal promises Xi made, we dont know what they'll end up doing. Lots of fake news out there about tariffs, dumb things being said about "the tariffs are paid by american consumers, so it's not hurting China at all", that would only be true if no one changed their buying habits because of tariffs. Trump placed tariffs on foreign steel, and now american steel producers are seeing big gains in orders - that's a good thing. The same thing will happen with every single product we tariff to varying degrees.

[Bigrunner]

America is rolling right now folks!!!

 

 

 

Thanks Commander

Traitor, how's the stock market doing YTD? Many economic indicators pointing to a recession near future.

 

Btw during Obama's 8 years it went up close to 200%. That's what you can call rolling!

 

Trump is not only a traitor. He's a fraudster, a child, a Grifter and a pathological liar.

[mikeman]

Traitor, how's the stock market doing YTD?

 

Btw during Obama's 8 years it went up close to 200%. That's what you can call rolling!

 

Trump is not only a traitor. He's a fraudster, a child, a Grifter and a pathological liar.

The only name you need to call him is Mr President.

[Bigrunner]

The only name you need to call him is Mr President.

I will never call a traitor Mr President? There's a traitor in the White House!

 

It's time to end the charade, punish Saudi Arabia for murdering a journalist.

[mikeman]

I will never call a traitor Mr President? There's a traitor in the White House!

 

It's time to end the charade, punish Saudi Arabia for murdering a journalist.

He has the right to kill journalists, that's what you dont understand, they dont have the same laws we do, nor are they bound by ours.

[zzmocashzz]

[theguesser]

The problem is JP Morgan has no more idea what really was agreed to than you or me.

And yet YOU started this thread calling it a Win for the Idiot, and the rest of the Cultist seals clapped.