mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Machiavelli said: Does anything under any President benefit all exactly? You asked for Americans as a whole, didn’t you? Doesn’t health care have that potential? What do you think of Kamalla. is she a strong and promising candidate for 24 if biden doesn't run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, mikeman said: You've said you're into subtlety and nuance, are you seeing anything at all that leads you to believe the election in 17 days is not going to go as you predicted? A week ago you said some very liberal friend in PA said OZ was in rough shape, since then he's apparently rallied and taken a sizable lead - has your contact confirmed the trend? I’ve seen some of the polling y’all have been citing. I haven’t contacted either of my PA pals since then, no. I acknowledge that you could be correct. My point of view is that Republicans have fumbled what should’ve been a layup. Perhaps it’s re-tightening now. Go ahead n play off my usage of “perhaps.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Machiavelli said: Does anything under any President benefit all exactly? You asked for Americans as a whole, didn’t you? Doesn’t health care have that potential? Tax cuts. Normal inflation. Rising real wages. Trade policies. Umm. Of course there are things that benefit all Americans. Health care plans that tax more Americans and do nothing to reduce costs with less choice don't have that potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, mikeman said: What do you think of Kamalla. is she a strong and promising candidate for 24 if biden doesn't run? No. I don’t dig her: My expectations is that Newsom will be the chosen guy, and he’ll cite Cali’s budget as to why he can run the country. He’ll ignore the homeless stuff n all the wokeness n the media will give him a pass. I’ve been thinking it’ll be Newsom v DeSantis. The Bill Clinton n George W Bush archetypes h2h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Machiavelli said: I’ve seen some of the polling y’all have been citing. I haven’t contacted either of my PA pals since then, no. I acknowledge that you could be correct. My point of view is that Republicans have fumbled what should’ve been a layup. Perhaps it’s re-tightening now. Go ahead n play off my usage of “perhaps.” The fumbling you refer to is their failure to embrace semi liberal causes, was that your belief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, mikeman said: The fumbling you refer to is their failure to embrace semi liberal causes, was that your belief? The brainwashed always claim that it's the right that's moving further right while they vote for an administration that parades out trannies in the Cabinet and tries to normalize mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurryUpAndDrink Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Machiavelli said: No. I don’t dig her: My expectations is that Newsom will be the chosen guy, and he’ll cite Cali’s budget as to why he can run the country. He’ll ignore the homeless stuff n all the wokeness n the media will give him a pass. I’ve been thinking it’ll be Newsom v DeSantis. The Bill Clinton n George W Bush archetypes h2h. If you think De Santis is comparable to W Bush... wow Just wow That ain't smart comparison at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmcarroll33 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Machiavelli said: You tell me, as I’ve already dissed Fetterman but did claim that him being a poor candidate n Dems still likely to win PA said a lot about Oz. Go gobble up all you can on predicit then. Looks like a solid 7 day trend going for Fetterman right before the midterms to get a great price on him. Same with Herschel here in GA. Some good that made up abortion scandal did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 LOL. George Bush was the worst President in my lifetime before Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Tax cuts. Normal inflation. Rising real wages. Trade policies. Umm. Of course there are things that benefit all Americans. Health care plans that tax more Americans and do nothing to reduce costs with less choice don't have that potential. Would you at least acknowledge that the Bernie side has a counter to all those or almost all those? You may be able to prove progressives wrong on each n every point, but the other side has their disagreements. My point stands. But where progressives go too far, when Republicans focus on what you posted, I’ll admit that they are successful. It’s just we get stuck on one side trying to do too much n one side trying to curtail everything. Whereas I think the answer needs to be somewhere in the middle where we spend/invest at opportune times n pull back on others. And people seem to be shifting to the spend side right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, MonkeyF0cker said: The brainwashed always claim that it's the right that's moving further right while they vote for an administration that parades out trannies in the Cabinet. It is stunning - biden appoints that flaming fagg to be head of the nuclear waste administration, then you have admiral levine - another cross dresser, then he wont address any real issue but invites trans weirdo's to the white house. After all that the Machi's of the world say republicans wont address real issues that effect normal people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, HurryUpAndDrink said: If you think De Santis is comparable to W Bush... wow Just wow That ain't smart comparison at all Archetype. Corporate Conservative with Compassiom and an ability to connect. Very big bonus for his taking on wokeness head on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, Machiavelli said: Would you at least acknowledge that the Bernie side has a counter to all those or almost all those? You may be able to prove progressives wrong on each n every point, but the other side has their disagreements. My point stands. But where progressives go too far, when Republicans focus on what you posted, I’ll admit that they are successful. It’s just we get stuck on one side trying to do too much n one side trying to curtail everything. Whereas I think the answer needs to be somewhere in the middle where we spend/invest at opportune times n pull back on others. And people seem to be shifting to the spend side right now. Bernie is another not unlike yourself that has zero values. I supported Bernie's idea of enacting tariffs against China to punish corporations for moving manufacturing overseas. But when Trump adopted it, Bernie was one of his biggest critics. He has zero substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Machiavelli said: Would you at least acknowledge that the Bernie side has a counter to all those or almost all those? You may be able to prove progressives wrong on each n every point, but the other side has their disagreements. My point stands. But where progressives go too far, when Republicans focus on what you posted, I’ll admit that they are successful. It’s just we get stuck on one side trying to do too much n one side trying to curtail everything. Whereas I think the answer needs to be somewhere in the middle where we spend/invest at opportune times n pull back on others. And people seem to be shifting to the spend side right now. Shit, i forgot you were a bernie guy before biden got the nomination, now you claim to be a moderate independent, this is high comedy folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, mikeman said: It is stunning - biden appoints that flaming fagg to be head of the nuclear waste administration, then you have admiral levine - another cross dresser, then he wont address any real issue but invites trans weirdo's to the white house. After all that the Machi's of the world say republicans wont address real issues that effect normal people. It's truly staggering what brainwashing does to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasson621 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 If this was a boxing match it would've been stopped pages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, mikeman said: The fumbling you refer to is their failure to embrace semi liberal causes, was that your belief? To a degree. Especially strategically. Because, if there are items that are gonna pass anyway, then why make fighting them head on too major of a cause?? Accept what will be, and address larger surrounding issues if you want to create lasting change. Fair or unfair, it’s a Republican hallmark to run on issues rather than solve issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Machiavelli said: To a degree. Especially strategically. Because, if there are items that are gonna pass anyway, then why make fighting them head on too major of a cause?? Accept what will be, and address larger surrounding issues if you want to create lasting change. Fair or unfair, it’s a Republican hallmark to run on issues rather than solve issues. yea, I'm sure if kari Lake got all squishy and soft - more like Liz Cheney, she'd have a better chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Machiavelli said: To a degree. Especially strategically. Because, if there are items that are gonna pass anyway, then why make fighting them head on too major of a cause?? Accept what will be, and address larger surrounding issues if you want to create lasting change. Fair or unfair, it’s a Republican hallmark to run on issues rather than solve issues. In other words, abandon your values, move to the left along with the socialists, and cave to the mob to "create lasting change" that results in the destruction of the country. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, mikeman said: yea, I'm sure if kari Lake got all squishy and soft - more like Liz Cheney, she'd have a better chance. No. Kari is effective because she knows how to fight n what to fight on. She’s ran a much better race v Hobbs than Masters has v Kelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, MonkeyF0cker said: In other words, abandon your values, move to the left along with the socialists, and cave to the mob to "create lasting change" that results in the destruction of the country. LOL. those are called Rino's , who are hated and despised by most republicans today, great advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said: In other words, abandon your values and cave to the mob to "create lasting change" that results in the destruction of the country. LOL. Core values are important. However, 350M people or whatever our actual population is will not have the same core. Have to adjust n adapt to meet the needs of the people n the nation as a whole and its sustainability. You go to the extreme in everything. One can keep core values while working to be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Machiavelli said: No. Kari is effective because she knows how to fight n what to fight on. She’s ran a much better race v Hobbs than Masters has v Kelly. Do you think the fact that Hobbs is a ditzy moron is a factor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Machiavelli said: Core values are important. However, 350M people or whatever our actual population is will not have the same core. Have to adjust n adapt to meet the needs of the people n the nation as a whole and its sustainability. You go to the extreme in everything. One can keep core values while working to be effective. If you're for small government, voting for socialized healthcare is MORE THAN CERTAINLY abandoning your core values - which is exactly what you've advocated here multiple times. JFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, mikeman said: Do you think the fact that Hobbs is a ditzy moron is a factor? Hobbs needs to debate so people can make their own determinations in a long form setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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