Huh? ....up by 7 and go for 2

[Deemer]

Im sure when the math models are fired up and all the variables are included, you will see this is close to a 50/50 call. So what it comes down to is a feel for the game. Or a coaches "gut instinct ".

Lol not even close

 

Unless you're that scared of NE and think they're definitely gonna convert a 2PT conv

[Joe Blow]

You kick the extra point.

 

Period

[Sol Aristatel]

Lol not even close

 

Unless you're that scared of NE and think they're definitely gonna convert a 2PT conv

Run the math then, smart guy.

[Deemer]

Pretty clear why Diabler is a water boy for a HS fball team rather than a real head coach making these decisions

[Sol Aristatel]

Pretty clear why Diabler is a water boy for a HS fball team rather than a real head coach making these decisions

Run the math, smart guy.

 

There is a reason why Pete did what he did. Somebody ran some numbers somewhere..

[Deemer]

What numbers?

 

League wide 2pt conv averages? NEs 2 pt conv rate? Sea's 2pt rate?

 

Too many variables.

[Sol Aristatel]

What numbers?

 

League wide 2pt conv averages? NEs 2 pt conv rate? Sea's 2pt rate?

 

Too many variables.

These people do this for a living. Too many variables? Lol. Yes, there are a lot. But you run them based on your numbers vs your opponent. Its not that hard to figure out for a genius like you.

[FairWarning]

These people do this for a living. Too many variables? Lol. Yes, there are a lot. But you run them based on your numbers vs your opponent. Its not that hard to figure out for a genius like you.

Why would you assume teams make the right decisions in the heat of the battle? They mess up clock management and replay challenges a lot also.

[Sol Aristatel]

Why would you assume teams make the right decisions in the heat of the battle? They mess up clock management and replay challenges a lot also.

Decisions like these are usually figured out ahead of time. They have models specifically for what situations you should go for 2. They not only include the current point spread, but also how much time is left and who the opponent is.

[FairWarning]

Decisions like these are usually figured out ahead of time. They have models specifically for what situations you should go for 2. They not only include the current point spread, but also how much time is left and who the opponent is.

I know they have the chart but I can't believe carrol has a chart that says to go for 2 up 7. That's as dumb as watching Pitt chase points all day yesterday.

[Sol Aristatel]

I know they have the chart but I can't believe carrol has a chart that says to go for 2 up 7. That's as dumb as watching Pitt chase points all day yesterday.

Well, believe it. Because I bet that's his explanation of why they went for 2 there. Doubt it was an impulse decision that had never been at least discussed before.

[BarryRunSome]

I loved the call

 

It was thinking outside the box

 

Along the lines of MLB managers using there closer, when they felt it was the right time. Whether it was the 9th or not

 

Time for these coaches and managers to use there brains a LIL BIT, instead of what some chart says or what has always been done

[rito]

I know they have the chart but I can't believe carrol has a chart that says to go for 2 up 7. That's as dumb as watching Pitt chase points all day yesterday.

 

There's no way their chart says to do that.

[Sol Aristatel]

There's no way their chart says to do that.

So basically what your saying, is that Pete Carroll, one of the best coaches in the NFL, completely went on impulse and said "screw the chart" when deciding to go for 2. Is this what you are saying?

[FISHHEAD]

.........

 

 

Even Patriots head coach Bill Belichick was confused. He appeared to mouth the words, “Why would they go for two here?” as the Seahawks lined up for the play.

 

 

Carroll’s rationale had to be that he wanted to force the Patriots to HAVE to try to win the game on two separate possessions. Being up eight points meant that the Patriots could still tie the game on one possession. It’s not entirely unreasonable, especially with time dwindling.

[ted sheckler]

So basically what your saying, is that Pete Carroll, one of the best coaches in the NFL, completely went on impulse and said "screw the chart" when deciding to go for 2. Is this what you are saying?

 

 

Pete Carroll, the same coach that doesn't run the ball with Marshawn Lynch from the 2 and decides to pass it.

 

Were talking about Pete Carroll here, not Greg Popovich.  Carroll, been wrong before, will be wrong again....Pops on the other hand...

[FISHHEAD]

It's not out of the realm to believe Pete was simply confused after the TD score

[FairWarning]

So basically what your saying, is that Pete Carroll, one of the best coaches in the NFL, completely went on impulse and said "screw the chart" when deciding to go for 2. Is this what you are saying?

Pretty much - unless he got caught up in the moment. He wouldn't be the first coach who did.

[Sol Aristatel]

Pete Carroll, the same coach that doesn't run the ball with Marshawn Lynch from the 2 and decides to pass it.

 

I knew it was a lock that some Simpleton would come back with this argument.

 

First of all, this is apples and oranges. Teams have charts for deciding whether or not to go for 2. As being discussed.

 

Second, teams have goalline offensives with certain plays to run in certain situations. You have 4 downs to score from the 2. Or wherever they were. With only 1 timeout. I have heard the rationalization that makes complete sense with clock management from Kurt Warner. If you are gonna take a shot and throw one of the four downs, then on 2nd down is a good time. An incomplete pass stops the clock. Now you have saved a timeout. And can call your last one after 3rd down if you dont score.

 

You call plays and you expect your professional athletes to execute them. Russell fucked up there. Its completely on him. The last thing you do in that spot is throw that ball. They could have ran Lynch there, and he could have fumbled like Jerome Bettis did that one time. Nothing is ever a lock.

 

Now with all that being said, do I run Lynch there in that spot? Hell yeah. Im super conservative. But I 100% understand the rationale for what Petey did. Because Im not a football Simpleton.

 

Class dismissed. Again.

[Easygoer45]

WTF? ??

 

 

I liked the call a lot. They miss the 2 then they are up 7 if NE scores they go for 1 and it's tied, if they make the 2 they are up 9 which is 2 scores and the game is essentially over.

[FairWarning]

Sol - you are a football simpleton if you believe going for 2 there is the right call.

[Sol Aristatel]

Sol - you are a football simpleton if you believe going for 2 there is the right call.

I have never argued that it's the "right" call.

 

You are a Simpleton and/or illiterate if you have deducted that.

[FairWarning]

A good head coach puts his team in the best position to win. He didn't do it in the SB and he didn't last night.

[Sol Aristatel]

A good head coach puts his team in the best position to win. He didn't do it in the SB and he didn't last night.

Lol. You Monday morning QBs crack me up. You have basically inferred that Pete Carroll is not a good football coach.

 

lololol

[ted sheckler]

Sol - you are a football simpleton if you believe going for 2 there is the right call.

 

 

 

I'm a football simpleton for saying he should of ran it on that SB play.

 

Sol agrees, that he would of ran it as well.  But quickly wants to let people know "I'm not a football simpleton"

 

Guy can't stay on the same page for the 10 minutes it took him to write that up.  100 words later he's agrees that a run is better and forgot that he called me a simpleton for saying that.

 

Must have parent teacher conferences today and we all know gym teachers don't participate in those, so he's pounding brews all afternoon, cursing out his wife for not letting him use her credit card to buy a 24 pack and upset he only went 2-1 on yesterdays bets to profit 9 bucks and he could only get a 12 pk of budlight.