Free Market Capitalism is Still the Best Path to Prosperity

[mikeman]

I'm not like you. I don't make stupid generalizations and assumptions about things I have no experience in.

I've never been fucked in the ass, but yea, i have an "assumption" about it, tell us about your experience?

[MonkeyF0cker]

I've never been fucked in the ass, but yea, i have an "assumption" about it, tell us about your experience?

 

So, you openly admit to thinking about being fucked in the ass and making "assumptions" about it?  Yikes.

 

Not something I've considered.  Sorry.

[mikeman]

So, you openly admit to thinking about being fucked in the ass and making "assumptions" about it?  Yikes.

 

Not something I've considered.  Sorry.

Very witty, you funny man!

[BranchDavidian]

So essentially forced communism.

 

Not really criticizing your post, as it is worth considering as a solution.

 

No.  Nothing is forced.  But, yeah, it is a commune run by the government.

 

Capitalism has changed the world for the better.  Yet, even after American Capitalism defeated Russian Socialism back in the Cold War, we have more recently born Americans being taught in our Universities that socialism is The Path to happiness. (Seems our young people and older Democratic leaders have no memory or ability to check history.)

 

So, while I find it embarrassing to use a socialist model to solve the problem of laziness or stupidity in those of us that just can't seem to cope, at least it is only for that corner of society that needs the rest of society to survive.  The rest of us can use the benefits of capitalism to increase the world's production of goods and services, without the malcontents slowing everything down.

[Always Call Heads]

Bernie will destroy free market capitalism in 2020 and everyone will make $80,000 like in Norway. Feel the Bern Trumpstes.

[Heartman]

Capitalism may bring material prosperity but it also makes servants of the working class. The business owner is the master and the employee is his/her servant. It's an unequal relationship where one side has power over the other. This power often leads to abuse and threats of termination. Keep you're mouth shut and do what you're told or you're fired.

 

Socialism is superior to capitalism because it's more fair and equal for the worker. In state owned busiiness the master and servant relationship is eliminated. It's a more level playing field for all.

 

Fainess and Equality > material prosperity

 

The end of the master and servant relationship is near. The basic human desire to be treated fairly and equally will win out in the end. .

[Sol Aristatel]

Capitalism may bring material prosperity but it also makes servants of the working class. The business owner is the master and the employee is his/her servant. It's an unequal relationship where one side has power over the other. This power often leads to abuse and threats of termination. Keep you're mouth shut and do what you're told or you're fired.

 

Socialism is superior to capitalism because it's more fair and equal for the worker. In state owned busiiness the master and servant relationship is eliminated. It's a more level playing field for all.

 

Fainess and Equality > material prosperity

 

The end of the master and servant relationship is near. The basic human desire to be treated fairly and equally will win out in the end. .

You left out one key point. Corruption.

 

In any system, power = corruption. You are basing your premise that the government in control will not be corrupt. That’s fantasy land. History has shown that repeatedly.

[Heartman]

You left out one key point. Corruption.

 

In any system, power = corruption. You are basing your premise that the government in control will not be corrupt. That’s fantasy land. History has shown that repeatedly.

 

 

 

Where in my post do I say anything about the government in control not being corrupt?

 

The master and servant relationship is corrupt. That's for sure.

[Heartman]

Corruption or not it doesn't change the fact that Socialism is a more fair and equal system for the worker.

 

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make?

[Sol Aristatel]

Corruption or not it doesn't change the fact that Socialism is a more fair and equal system for the worker.

 

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make?

The point is that history tells us your idea of a Utopia via socialism is Fantasy Land. Due to corruption.

[Heartman]

The point is that history tells us your idea of a Utopia via socialism is Fantasy Land. Due to corruption.

 

Socialism clearly has it's flaws. It's not Utopia.

 

The worker is treated more fairly in Socialism regardless of corruption. That's what you clearly don't understand.

[Sol Aristatel]

Socialism clearly has it's flaws. It's not Utopia.

 

The worker is treated more fairly in Socialism regardless of corruption. That's what you clearly don't understand.

In theory, perhaps. In practice, absolutely not as evidenced by history. That’s what you clearly don’t understand.

[Always Call Heads]

Socialism for the rich. Free markets for everyone else.

[Heartman]

In theory, perhaps. In practice, absolutely not as evidenced by history. That’s what you clearly don’t understand.

 

It's a constantly evolving process.

 

Capitalism was an upgrade to Feudalism.

 

Socialism is an upgrade to Capitalism.

 

The mistakes of the past will be learned from and corrected and Socialism will be the way of the future. Fairness and equality are a basic human desire worth fighting for.

[Dr. Paddy]

Bernie will destroy free market capitalism in 2020 and everyone will make $80,000 like in Norway. Feel the Bern Trumpstes.

Bernie is a good man. He won't destroy "free market" capitalism in 2020. You make the mistake of confusing free enterprise with capitalism. 

 

It is not wise or possible to seek cataclysmic change in any complex modern society. It would be chaos and despair to try and change a free enterprise system to one of a centrally managed economy...communism. Communism is a failure. Marx was right in his analysis of the failures of the economic system of his day, which was the late 19th century. But the 20th century implementation of Marx's theories were horrors and disastrous. 

 

The single best operation of socialism is in these areas:

 

Providing the overhead of a free and democratic society, i.e. healthcare, education., transport systems, law enforcement and justice, and maintaining a monetary system which assists free enterprise by providing the ONLY source of funds for borrowing. It eliminates private banks, and captures for the state all of the income in a society that now accrues as profits to lenders to provide funding for that overhead. It still allows private equity investment in enterprises, but only where returns come in the form of dividends paid on profits from actually producing a good or service. This is an enormous income for the state, and will reduce the tax burden on its citizens.

 

I had a prof at grad school named William Kingston. In his writings, he describes capitalism as "...producing money from nothing". That is the clear distinction between capitalism and free enterprise. Free enterprise does produce something. Goods and services. It does that far better than communism. Socialism does not contemplate the elimination of free markets. 

 

Billy Kingston is the major influence in my political views. This is a video in which he is lecturing on his theory of the decline of capitalism of its own accord. He has a controversial new book out called How Capitalism Destroyed Itself. Hopefully there are ten people here with the education to appreciate this brilliant analysis. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyLITU8n7w

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Paddy]

In theory, perhaps. In practice, absolutely not as evidenced by history. That’s what you clearly don’t understand.

You are not trying to understand. You are trying to defend your ideology. 

[Always Call Heads]

Bernie is a good man. He won't destroy "free market" capitalism in 2020. You make the mistake of confusing free enterprise with capitalism. 

 

It is not wise or possible to seek cataclysmic change in any complex modern society. It would be chaos and despair to try and change a free enterprise system to one of a centrally managed economy...communism. Communism is a failure. Marx was right in his analysis of the failures of the economic system of his day, which was the late 19th century. But the 20th century implementation of Marx's theories were horrors and disastrous. 

 

The single best operation of socialism is in these areas:

 

Providing the overhead of a free and democratic society, i.e. healthcare, education., transport systems, law enforcement and justice, and maintaining a monetary system which assists free enterprise by providing the ONLY source of funds for borrowing. It eliminates private banks, and captures for the state all of the income in a society that now accrues as profits to lenders to provide funding for that overhead. It still allows private equity investment in enterprises, but only where returns come in the form of dividends paid on profits from actually producing a good or service. This is an enormous income for the state, and will reduce the tax burden on its citizens.

 

I had a prof at grad school named William Kingston. In his writings, he describes capitalism as "...producing money from nothing". That is the clear distinction between capitalism and free enterprise. Free enterprise does produce something. Goods and services. It does that far better than communism. Socialism does not contemplate the elimination of free markets. 

 

Billy Kingston is the major influence in my political views. This is a video in which he is lecturing on his theory of the decline of capitalism of its own accord. He has a controversial new book out called How Capitalism Destroyed Itself. Hopefully there are ten people here with the education to appreciate this brilliant analysis. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyLITU8n7w

Very impressive train of thought here Paddy.

[Sol Aristatel]

You are not trying to understand. You are trying to defend your ideology.

That isn’t true. I’ve never stated my ideology. Just simply made factual comments about someone else’s.

[Heartman]

That isn’t true. I’ve never stated my ideology. Just simply made factual comments about someone else’s.

 

You've stated your ideology.. You're a Christian who believes Jesus is the Son of God.

 

You lean right politically and believe in small government.

[Sol Aristatel]

You've stated your ideology.. You're a Christian who believes Jesus is the Son of God.

 

You lean right politically and believe in small government.

 

Ive stated my ideology on certain subjects on the forums here and there over time.  Sure.  In this thread?  Absolutely not.

 

And some of the things you mention don't necessarily have anything to do with my ideas of free market, capitalism, socialism, etc.  

 

The last two things you state lay some hints though.  Definitely. 

[Heartman]

Ive stated my ideology on certain subjects on the forums here and there over time.  Sure.  In this thread?  Absolutely not.

 

And some of the things you mention don't necessarily have anything to do with my ideas of free market, capitalism, socialism, etc.  

 

The last two things you state lay some hints though.  Definitely. 

 

This is where we disagree.

 

Being a christian should have everything to do with being a capitalist or a socialist.

 

I can start quoting Gospel passages and it will be very clear that Jesus was very liberal minded and taught self sacrifice for others..

 

Many people call themselves christians without following the teachings of Jesus. Fake christians.

[Sol Aristatel]

This is where we disagree.

 

Being a christian should have everything to do with being a capitalist or a socialist.

 

I can start quoting Gospel passages and it will be very clear that Jesus was very liberal minded and taught self sacrifice for others..

 

Many people call themselves christians without following the teachings of Jesus. Fake christians.

 

I thought I already explained this to you.  I have no problem with helping and giving to others.  That's what I do.

 

I just don't want the government to be the middle man.  Government = corruption.  That's my hang up with socialism.  

 

Nothing is perfect.  And I think we could do better in our country for sure. 

[Sol Aristatel]

Many people call themselves christians without following the teachings of Jesus. Fake christians.

 

Ain't that the truth.  That's why I don't like identifying myself with mainstream Christianity.  

[Dr. Paddy]

Very impressive train of thought here Paddy.

There are some of us who believed that the high expectations we had of the institution we were at were best met by Billy Kingston, one of the finest minds ever to walk those cobblestones.

 

This is an excerpt from his book. 

 

https://www.tcd.ie/business/news-events/William-Kingston.php

[Balco]

Then how would you know how comfortable it is to be homeless?

Homeless is a walk in the park compare to the battle field. I'm not going to discuss my experiences on battle field. Haven't sleep more than 3-4 hours in a day for the past 5 years. I pound beers 3/4 days a week to escape from the Middle East. My hearing is shot! Loud sounds set me off! I wake up in the middle of the night thinking i'm still  in a fire fight, which scares the shit out of the wife. Had former troop/friend who woke up at night dreaming the same and killed his wife with his knife. We served our country to protect our citizens from harm. Zero excuses and no apologizes accepted. Ill do it over again. God bless America.

If I was homeless, then I would find every means to find employment.