Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I'm sure you could and that's what makes you an idiot.Only an idiot forecasts the future with certainty. I know for sure that major surprises are in store. I have already been surprised and I will be in for a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Right. So the federal government is going to start regulating gambling instead of the states all of the sudden. LOL. Do you have ANY idea what that would entail? LOL. No. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Right. So the federal government is going to start regulating gambling instead of the states all of the sudden. LOL. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.Not all of a sudden. It is already up for discussion. They are already talking about how state regulation is too burdensome. A lot of this stuff is definitely going to get smoothed out because the money wants it that way. If states all adopt similar legislation, it will not make much difference either way. There are going to be a lot of stumbling blocks along the way when you are this far behind the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So the federal government is going to start negotiating with tribal casinos and force them to rip up statutes and contacts with each state that are already in place? LMAO. You are clueless. There's a little more to it than you think, moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So the federal government is going to start negotiating with tribal casinos and force them to rip up statutes and contacts with each state that are already in place? LMAO. You are clueless. There's a little more to it than you think, moron.There is some possibility that the Indians could wind up getting screwed. It has happened before. All I know for sure is that what you think is going to happen, isn't. That's a real good bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 All I know for sure is that what you think is going to happen, isn't. That's a real good bet.Irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Irony.Touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyRuder Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 It has nothing to do with taking vacations, genius.who will go to las vegas when every major city, coastlines, etc etc have sports betting only you because you want to fukkin see celine dion relax men are talking here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 First you have to have rec books and then the market will get bigger. That is the way it works. Nothing that happens Year 1 can be taken very seriously. There is still much to sort out and the landscape is going to be surveyed first.They've had rec books in England for 200 years, when are the pro books opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 They've had rec books in England for 200 years, when are the pro books opening?There is no certainty that they ever will. But better chance in the US than anywhere else. But being able to bet professionally has really very little to do with much. The US can be a huge gambling market without allowing professional betting and 99% will be happy with it. But you are not going to get professional action without rec action first. If there is no professional betting, very few are going to be dissatisfied about it. That is not going to affect many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 who will go to las vegas when every major city, coastlines, etc etc have sports betting only you because you want to fukkin see celine dion relax men are talking here Don't worry. I'm done arguing with stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 There is no certainty that they ever will. But better chance in the US than anywhere else. But being able to bet professionally has really very little to do with much. The US can be a huge gambling market without allowing professional betting and 99% will be happy with it. But you are not going to get professional action without rec action first. If there is no professional betting, very few are going to be dissatisfied about it. That is not going to affect many. Rec books don't exist without professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Rec books don't exist without professionals.You've got that backwards. Rec players fund professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Because books know where the line should be without pros. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Thanks for the lesson as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 They don't need pros to get the line right and rec lines are very profitable. If you don't have the rec basis for the book, there aren't going to be any pros. Books do not need pros to have profitable lines. Pros need rec bettors to have beatable lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 That's why all of the rec books clone numbers. LOL. Just so much stupidity. It's truly incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 That's why all of the rec books clone numbers. LOL. Just so much stupidity. It's truly incredible.Yes. Why do you think US books can't just clone numbers? You said the same thing about DraftKings. They couldn't just copy numbers. Turns out they can pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Where do you think those numbers come from, genius? You think Pinny and Bookmaker are purely moving on air? Great. More lies. I've never said books can't just copy numbers. If they want the most volume on the planet, they sure as fuck can't though. You seriously can't be this much of a fucking retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 This is interesting that you are now arguing against my whole point of the US eventually having professional betting. If the US betting market is advantaged by professional bettors then they will have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Incorrect. Will Hill is not going to start booking winners. Ever. The big books will be the ones who know how to bookmake and take sharp action. Some of those books exist in Las Vegas. Not in New Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Incorrect. Will Hill is not going to start booking winners. Ever. The big books will be the ones who know how to bookmake and take sharp action. Some of those books exist in Las Vegas. Not in New Jersey.Right now.... ....so the US gambling market is either going to be a very large highly profitable rec gambling market with books such as Will Hill or it is going to seek greater profits by taking on professionals. My basic argument has been that New Jersey and New York offering gambling will interest people with very large amounts of money to gamble in the US professionally creating the environment for a book to welcome sharp betting. It is possible that taxation in the US will be such that is always remains a rec betting market. In any case, US casinos will first achieve profitable numbers through offering rec betting exclusively and then move into a larger market. This will not be done by the likes of Will Hill but likely an upstart looking to make its place. However, it happens, it will first make its bones as a rec book. At no point will a book start out taking sharp action as its primary objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So, kick every sharp out of your book and then start inviting them back? That's how you envision it? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I guess it would just make WAY too much sense to set limits that aren't going to break the bank and adjust the lines from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Call Heads Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Yes. You can't expect that even a book like MGM is going to necessarily offer anything other than a rec book to start. They are going to get their foot in the door and get established and make their money and then gradually expand what they are willing to do. If Las Vegas casino operators operating in New Jersey that allow you to bet professionally, they are going to offer the same bets eventually. If nobody offers professional betting opportunites then the people that want to bet are going to begin to think about starting their own books and competing against them and they are likely to be able to get financial backing if the opportunity is there. It is not very likely that New Jersey is going to have all this Wall Street money looking to bet thousands on games and they are not going to take those bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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