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LOL.  What?  MGM is not a rec book.

I did not say they were a rec book. I said you could not expect an MGM or similar book to necessarily offer the same type of bets in New Jersey as they do in Las Vegas from the start. That does not mean they will not ever offer them. If MGM is going to offer professional level betting then you will have professional level betting in NJ.

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My basic argument has been that New Jersey and New York offering gambling will interest people with very large amounts of money to gamble in the US professionally creating the environment for a book to welcome sharp betting.

 

It is possible that taxation in the US will be such that is always remains a rec betting market.

 

And my point is that anyone that was interested in this is already doing it.  

 

Taxation is always the squares excuse for can't being a pro.   Damn you got to pay taxes.

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In any case, US casinos will first achieve profitable numbers through offering rec betting exclusively and then move into a larger market. This will not be done by the likes of Will Hill but likely an upstart looking to make its place. However, it happens, it will first make its bones as a rec book. At no point will a book start out taking sharp action as its primary objective. 

 

What larger market?   How many guys do you think there are that can beat WA lines?  It's not a lot.  There's no benefit for any US book to book professionals as long as offshores control the lines/market.   If that part were to change, then maybe.

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Same bets.  Some different numbers.  What's the excuse for the lack of volume?

I don't think it should be that surprising. Gambling is new to the state and there are other options. I don't think anyone expected NJ to be reaching Nevada level of betting in the first month of the football season. 

 

I'd say this is looking pretty good.

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Yes. You can't expect that even a book like MGM is going to necessarily offer anything other than a rec book to start. They are going to get their foot in the door and get established and make their money and then gradually expand what they are willing to do. 

 

 

MGM in vegas has the highest limits for sharps in the world on football

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I don't think it should be that surprising. Gambling is new to the state and there are other options. I don't think anyone expected NJ to be reaching Nevada level of betting in the first month of the football season. 

 

I'd say this is looking pretty good.

 

It's infinitely easier to fund a book in New Jersey already.  There shouldn't be any hold back.

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MGM is using Ladbrokes for their non-nevada betting.  I don't know how that's going to work, but if ladbrokes is running it it will be a 100% opposite how the book in LV.

 

Oh.  Do you mean the GVC deal?  I think that's just a software deal but I could be wrong...

 

I believe MGM is still the operating partner in that deal.  I'll find out tomorrow or Friday for sure.

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What larger market?   How many guys do you think there are that can beat WA lines?  It's not a lot.  There's no benefit for any US book to book professionals as long as offshores control the lines/market.   If that part were to change, then maybe.

The potential is that MGM or another book can set up shop in every state and book all the action. If you go into every state at low cost online then offshore is challenged and you successfully bring offshore money to the US gambling market.

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If it's not passed onto the consumer in the form of vig, what difference does it make what the casino pays in taxes?

 

it matters because it provides less competition

 

pennsylvania has a 36% tax rate on sports bets... mgm or anyone else would have a harder time justifying the cost of operations with that big of a bite right off the top

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