CarolinaKid Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 when i had to go to the local sbi office here yrs ago on a gambling charge and had the 3rd degree.ps i got set up by a undercover agent that was suppose to be a guy working at the local c city at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Diabler Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 So you guys recommend allowing cops to violate your rights so you can be on your way? I have never once had my rights violated. So I'm not sure what you are referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I have never once had my rights violated. So I'm not sure what you are referring to. OK, then you're lucky. If you get pulled over, and the officer asks to search your vehicle do you allow him to do it so you can be on your way? Do you tell your kids to allow the officer to search your vehicle? Police officers overstep their bounds, and violate your rights, more often than you think. Many officers don't even know what they are legally allowed to do and not. I have been pulled over a couple times in other states, and the officers asked to search my vehicle. I declined - not because I was hiding something, but because it's my right. They then start throwing threats out there like we'll bring in a dog... or "well then we need to take you down to the station, and it'll take a while for us to process everything, if you let us search you can just go." I always decline, because what is the point of rights if you're not going to use them. Usually I act like a bitch, say I'll call my lawyer and then call my old man, make him talk to them and eventually I'm let go. Most kids don't have a lawyer or parents that understand rights that well, so cops abuse their power. Cops need to be put in check. You should not feel the need to "yes sir/no sir" an officer out of fear of retribution. Officers are their to serve, not harass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 OK, then you're lucky. If you get pulled over, and the officer asks to search your vehicle do you allow him to do it so you can be on your way? Do you tell your kids to allow the officer to search your vehicle? Police officers overstep their bounds, and violate your rights, more often than you think. Many officers don't even know what they are legally allowed to do and not. I have been pulled over a couple times in other states, and the officers asked to search my vehicle. I declined - not because I was hiding something, but because it's my right. They then start throwing threats out there like we'll bring in a dog... or "well then we need to take you down to the station, and it'll take a while for us to process everything, if you let us search you can just go." I always decline, because what is the point of rights if you're not going to use them. Usually I act like a bitch, say I'll call my lawyer and then call my old man, make him talk to them and eventually I'm let go. Most kids don't have a lawyer or parents that understand rights that well, so cops abuse their power. Cops need to be put in check. You should not feel the need to "yes sir/no sir" an officer out of fear of retribution. Officers are their to serve, not harass.You do understand that by searching cars officers find drugs such as heroin and guns that have been or will be used to commit crimes. there is a reason they ask if you have none of those type of things, why wouldn't you allow them to confirm that with a simple search? you might even find that when you are asked and say "yes sir you may", that the officer doesn't even search. He was simply using the question to assist in him determining if you were likely to be transporting something illegal or if you were going to be cooperative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaKid Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 what i hate these days if you get pull over for something as simple as speeding, you get surrounded by about 3 police cars like you rob a bank or something.1 thing about a cop they stick together, never tell them anything without your lawyer they are very good at trying to get you to say things............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Timely, What if he cops just refuse to talk to your old man? Do you force them to? If I'm a cop and you tell me I have to talk to your dad I am going to tell you to go scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 What if he cops just refuse to talk to your old man? Do you force them too? If I'm a cop and you tell me I have to talk to your dad I am going to tell you to go scratchI didn't tell him anything I sat on a rock in wet cloths crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I didn't tell him anything I sat on a rock in wet cloths crying.haha the question was for Timely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 ohhhhhhhh shit sorry I got EGG cited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Diabler Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 OK, then you're lucky. If you get pulled over, and the officer asks to search your vehicle do you allow him to do it so you can be on your way? Do you tell your kids to allow the officer to search your vehicle? Every time I have been pulled over, it has been for just cause. Its probably happened about 10 times since I started driving at 16 yrs of age. Most of those were for speeding, one was for an unsafe lane change, and the other was for having a tail light out. I was never asked if they could search my vehicle. I was very polite, and handed him the documentation he asked for. Out of those 10 times, I was only ticketed 2 times. I think being polite can go a long way in determining if you are ticketed or let go with a warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy kgb Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 One particular incident I had a police cruiser pull me over, about 5 other cops show up within seconds and they all draw their weapons on me and tell me to get out of the car. (Mind you, I am coming home from work, with my work uniform on) The cop has gun to the back of my head shoving me around demanding to know where I dropped off my "accomplices". I said what the FUCK are you talking about I am coming home from work. So a few other cops slowly creep up to my car with shotguns as if they are about to blow someones head off. They finally clear the car and come back to me and ask me why I robbed the gas station. I have NO FUCKING CLUE what is going on. So they search my entire vehicle, find some pot, find some cash, and attempt to seize said cash. It took like an hour to explain to them that I was coming home from work and I had absolutely zero clue what the fuck they were talking about. Turns out they claim my vehicle "matched" the description of a recent robbery. Yeah bullshit, those fuckers were always harassing me. They let me go with a ticket for the weed and gave me my cash back. That was just one instance. Small town, bad bad corrupt cops who liked to pull people over for all kinds of made up shit. Similar story except I seen the cops point of view...... I was at work and it was about 5pm and I had my shirt off (tells you how long ago, my shirt don't come off in public no more lol) and my boss sent me to the truck for some parts, I took a jog to the truck as it was a bit away and down the alley and a cop went by and seen me and hits the brakes then in reverse and I knew what was coming.....,Hands up, turn around, grab by my hands and turned around and put face first on the hood of his car and we waited for his Sargent to show up with a discriptiion of the purse theif who just happened to rob an old lady around the block.......Sarge confirmed I wasn't the BLACK guy they were looking for and we all chuckled at that and I went on my way.... Wasn't bothered by it one bit, yes I was White and in jeans and work boots but I was also shirtless and running a steady jog somewhere close where a robbery had just took place......they're just doing their job, no harm no foul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Teddy gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Timely, What if he cops just refuse to talk to your old man? Do you force them to? If I'm a cop and you tell me I have to talk to your dad I am going to tell you to go scratchThey can't refuse to speak to my lawyer if they are asking to detain or search me. If they do I leave phone on speaker so he can hear and he probably records and if they ever tried to take me in everything would be thrown out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 You do understand that by searching cars officers find drugs such as heroin and guns that have been or will be used to commit crimes. there is a reason they ask if you have none of those type of things, why wouldn't you allow them to confirm that with a simple search? you might even find that when you are asked and say "yes sir you may", that the officer doesn't even search. He was simply using the question to assist in him determining if you were likely to be transporting something illegal or if you were going to be cooperative.Uh because they have no right to search my vehicle and violate my privacy. Why fight for rights if you're just going to give them away.Just because I have out of state plates doesn't mean I'm doing something wrong. Probable cause exists for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 You do understand that by searching cars officers find drugs such as heroin and guns that have been or will be used to commit crimes. there is a reason they ask if you have none of those type of things, why wouldn't you allow them to confirm that with a simple search? you might even find that when you are asked and say "yes sir you may", that the officer doesn't even search. He was simply using the question to assist in him determining if you were likely to be transporting something illegal or if you were going to be cooperative.Your last paragraph is dreadful. A cop can't ask just to see an answer. A decline does not equal probable cause and he has no right to question me when I say no. It's my vehicle. You guys are just giving your rights away for no reason. Granting cops rights they aren't granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 They can't refuse to speak to my lawyer if they are asking to detain or search me. If they do I leave phone on speaker so he can hear and he probably records and if they ever tried to take me in everything would be thrown outsure they can refuse to speak to your lawyer. They are conducting an investigation. You aren't in a courtroom, pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 sure they can refuse to speak to your lawyer. They are conducting an investigation. You aren't in a courtroom, palYou don't have to say a word to an officer once you've been detained. You don't have to be in a court room guy. If you ask the officer am I free to go, and he does not answer with yes, you have then been detained. At that point you have a right to a lawyer and don't have to say a word to the officer. Steps. Get pulled over. Hand officer license and registration. Ask him what the problem is. He'll explain violation. If he follows up with can I search you, and you decline, end of that. If he doesn't drop it, ask the officer if you are free to go, use those exact words. If he says no, he is now detaining you. If he says yes, I just need to write you a citation, you don't have the right to a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Partying in the dorms years ago on St. Patricks day and my roommate got busted for underage consumption of alcohol. He was placed under arrest and since he was being uncooperative they cuffed him behind the back and had a university officer ride in the back seat of him to go to the jail. Roommate proceeded to bring his cuffs under his legs so hands were in front of him and pinch the cop because he wasnt wearing anything green on st pattys day.(was never charged with assaulting an officer) We all pooled our money together to get him bailed out, but they decided no bail until he blew zeros since he was spitting chew all over the window in his solitary cell. Myself, no bad police experiences. Just had a bunch of underage consumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 TH Their goal isn't to take away your rights Their goal is to get drugs and guns off the streets if you don't have those things why not assist them in determining that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 You don't have to say a word to an officer once you've been detained. You don't have to be in a court room guy.If you ask the officer am I free to go, and he does not answer with yes, you have then been detained. At that point you have a right to a lawyer and don't have to say a word to the officer.yeah no shit, but they do not have to talk to your lawyer father even if you insist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I don't get the US vs THEM (them being cops) logic? Isn't it US (with officers on our side) vs THEM (bad guys as them)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 yeah no shit, but they do not have to talk to your lawyer father even if you insistWhat do you mean? If the officer says you are not free to go, then you are no longer stopped for a traffic citation and you then have a right to a lawyer and they do have to speak with him. They may threaten to detain you and ask you to bring your lawyer in, but odds are they don't want to waste that much time either. You said they don't have to talk to him. That's not true. If you're not free to go they have to talk to him - whether it be on the phone or at the station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 TH Their goal isn't to take away your rights Their goal is to get drugs and guns off the streets if you don't have those things why not assist them in determining that?Just stop. People shouldn't even be going to jail over drugs. Jfc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 What do you mean? If the officer says you are not free to go, then you are no longer stopped for a traffic citation and you then have a right to a lawyer and they do have to speak with him. They may threaten to detain you and ask you to bring your lawyer in, but odds are they don't want to waste that much time either. You said they don't have to talk to him. That's not true. If you're not free to go they have to talk to him - whether it be on the phone or at the station.they do not have to talk to your lawyer on the phone. Are you insane? They don't have to let you even use your phone. If they make an arrest you can call from the station, but not on the scene. Come on now. What world do you live in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 People shouldn't even be going to jail over drugs. Jfc. is that what your lawyer father is going to tell them over the phone? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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