Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 However I can say I am fairly certain there is a God. I know this....in a way that's unexplainable and for reasons which I will not go into, but that much I know. It's all about faith.. If everything was spelled out and it was cut and dry, there would be no need for faith. I believe there is a God as well. But I also will admit that I can't 100% know this. So I have to admit I could be wrong. Do I believe Im wrong? 100% no. But "believe" is different than "know". Thats where faith comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 According to the Bible the earth is only 6000 years old. Not necessarily. The Earth was created in "7 days" according to the Bible. That doesn't mean they were consecutive. Millions, or even billions, of Earth years could have gone by in-between days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Ran across this today. Thought it was interesting. I remember hearing Paul Harvey on the radio when I was younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartman Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The story of Adam and Eve is complete bullshit. It's a ridiculous story. Our ancestors came from Africa and migrated across the continent about 40 to 60 thousand years ago. We have overwhelming scientific evidence to prove this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Our ancestors came from Africa and migrated across the continent about 40 to 60 thousand years ago. We have overwhelming scientific evidence to prove this. Sorry pal. Neither I or you can 100% prove where the first lives lived and/or were created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The story of Adam and Eve is complete bullshit. It's a ridiculous story. Like I said, if there is an all-knowing, great and powerful God, anything is possible. But i will concede, that anyone that believes in God, has to basically believe in a "Fair Tale" type story. Why? Because it goes against what we all know is true. What we can see. What we can prove. But the idea that something came from nothing by chance, is just as ridiculous. Because the basic rules of science tell us this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I believe there is a God as well. But I also will admit that I can't 100% know this. So I have to admit I could be wrong. Do I believe Im wrong? 100% no. But "believe" is different than "know". Thats where faith comes in. But never forget: If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Not necessarily. The Earth was created in "7 days" according to the Bible. That doesn't mean they were consecutive. Millions, or even billions, of Earth years could have gone by in-between days. Or one day was however many number of years. Everyone wants to take things so literally. Never fruitful to discuss religion on forums. You get it or you don't. Both sides see it that way. I'm not changing anyone's opinion, and no one will change mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartman Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Not necessarily. The Earth was created in "7 days" according to the Bible. That doesn't mean they were consecutive. Millions, or even billions, of Earth years could have gone by in-between days. Do you realize that the Bible writers followed the lineage from Adam and Eve all the way to Moses. It's very clear that according to the bible the world is only 6k y/o. Either the bible is correct or science is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Or one day was however many number of years. Everyone wants to take things so literally. Never fruitful to discuss religion on forums. You get it or you don't. Both sides see it that way. I'm not changing anyone's opinion, and no one will change mine. Yup. Joey "The Scarecrow" Donuts will be in here any minute and tell us to never change for believing in a "Fairy Tale". Without having the intelligence or patience to have a fruitful conversation. Lets take Heartman for instance. I like the guy, and he is making some good points. But I have counterpointed every one of his points. Instead of counterpointing back on the topic, he brings up something else. He could do that all fucking day. There are tons of other things he could come up with. We got the point the first time when he brought up the Virgin Mary thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartman Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Science doesn't say that something came from nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 It's very clear that according to the bible the world is only 6k y/o. Either the bible is correct or science is correct. No. You are wrong with your assessment. Ive explained why. 1 day to us, may not be to God. Could have took him billions of years to create this. If there is a God, anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Science doesn't say that something came from nothing. ?? Where did it come from then? Thats the question. Who created all this? Or what created it? Science tells us something can NOT come from nothing. So where did all the "somethings" come from? Or were they just always there? Nobody knows. Science will never tell us in 100% certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 You would think with slam dunk evidence such as they have, there would not still be 32% of the world's population identifying as Christian.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 You would think with slam dunk evidence such as they have, there would not still be 32% of the world's population identifying as Christian.... I don't think that really tells us anything. I think the majority of people that believe in a God or follow a religion is because they are brainwashed. Not because they have logically thought it out or have sought out the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartman Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 It is a fairy tale that a virgin had gods baby 2000 years ago. The only proof you have that it actually happened comes from a book that says the world is 6k years old. The book says that if you don't believe this ridiculous fairy tale then you will burn in hell for all eternity. The Bible is full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 you're in our prayers Joeyyou filthy heathenTremendous news!!! I always lol at about the word "heathen" My dads side of the family refuses to talk to us anymore bc when I was young my dad refused to force us to attend church. He explained that he gave me the choice and i choose not to attend. They said they didn't allow "heathens" in their home. Funny, the only time w anyone has heard from them is when they needed my dad to help them remodel their home as one of my cousins had MS and was going to be wheel chair bound. They didn't pay him a cent for it and probably never even bothered to thank him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yup. Joey "The Scarecrow" Donuts will be in here any minute and tell us to never change for believing in a "Fairy Tale". Without having the intelligence or patience to have a fruitful conversation. Lets take Heartman for instance. I like the guy, and he is making some good points. But I have counterpointed every one of his points. Instead of counterpointing back on the topic, he brings up something else. He could do that all fucking day. There are tons of other things he could come up with. We got the point the first time when he brought up the Virgin Mary thing.K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yup. Joey "The Scarecrow" Donuts will be in here any minute... Without having the intelligence or patience to have a fruitful conversation. K Case in point. :lebrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The book says that if you don't believe this ridiculous fairy tale then you will burn in hell for all eternity. As Ive explained in this thread, I do not believe that this is what the Bible LITERALLY tells us. I believe that many, if not most of the Bibles teaching are not literal. Its the message behind the stories that matter. Not if/when the stories really happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted sheckler Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 religion an politics...Brings out all the fucking idiots and their silly opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Out to go to the store to pick up some last shit for tomorrow. Have fun with the discussion guys/gal. Peace in the Middle East. Later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 religion an politics...Brings out all the fucking idiots and their silly opinions. Case in point. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I don't think that really tells us anything. I think the majority of people that believe in a God or follow a religion is because they are brainwashed. Not because they have logically thought it out or have sought out the truth. I know what you're saying, but I disagree. Universal truths are still fairly universal. All of those who made it through the seminary and became pastors and priests...that alone has to be a big number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Final word...Pascal's wager. +ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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