rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 They are worried about some guys taking the equivalent of 2k a year from the in bet points so they cut them off. They dont care about the pros that take them for millions though. They aren't worried, the bet pts are a perk for losing players. If you demonstrate you know what you are doing, they are going to give you any more perks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 You know how much money pinnacle/bookmaker make? They would make even more if they limited or booted you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Man Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 You should believe about half of what you see and nothing that you read. Sometimes things are said to appease the simpletons. Bottom line is if you have a plan of attack, you dont give it to your enemy so they can beat you to the punch. Oh jesus help you. That's probably the saddest thing I've ever read. I'll let you be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Thats dumb. If a guy continually beats you for huge amounts, its giving away money to continue to let him do it. He's setting the market. It's not dumb at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Thats dumb. If a guy continually beats you for huge amounts, its giving away money to continue to let him do it. They are collecting vig on every bet. That one person wins is irrelevant to a place like pinnacle, they are just looking to take their commission. LIke any market maker. Start kicking people out, then you get way less action, and become way more exposed on certain sides (ala the Will Hill business model) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 They would make even more if they limited or booted you. No, they wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Do you know why they (and really all the other books that follow their lines) make so much money? Because they let the market (sharps) move the lines to where they should be. You can let your sharps bet into your numbers, and still not let them beat you for millions. Limit them. Win/win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 He's setting the market. It's not dumb at all. See post #557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Man Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 They aren't worried, the bet pts are a perk for losing players. If you demonstrate you know what you are doing, they are going to give you any more perks. I got bookmaker bet points for two weeks. worth about $30 when they told me I didn't qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Do you still have full limits at bookmaker and pinny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 You can let your sharps bet into your numbers, and still not let them beat you for millions. Limit them. Win/win. 99% of books take this approach. And then they have to spend all their time figuring out which new accounts are really just the same people coming in again under new names. The real books, manage their lines, not the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Do you still have full limits at bookmaker and pinny? Neither one cuts limits on anyone (bm maybe on some props/alt line stuff but regular markets no). If they are losing at something they change the limits for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 More people at the Woman's march in DC than were at the inauguration yesterday. Yes Says a lot Little of which is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I got bookmaker bet points for two weeks. worth about $30 when they told me I didn't qualifySo you put in an average of $300 a night in action those 2 weeks. I remember when i was 13 and betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 99% of books take this approach. And then they have to spend all their time figuring out which new accounts are really just the same people coming in again under new names. The real books, manage their lines, not the players. All fine and dandy. But smart books would allow their sharps to bet into their numbers, but limit them from gashing them. Its a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I get betpoints.... they worth anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Man Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Do you still have full limits at bookmaker and pinny? Me? I only know my limits, they're much higher than I play in most sports other than NHL or some overnites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cop Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 It's amazing Trump got 63 million votes and won the election. You would never know it with all this fake news. Seems nobody voted for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 All fine and dandy. But smart books would allow their sharps to bet into their numbers, but limit them from gashing them. Its a no brainer. Then they will stop betting into them. Pinnacle raises limits very slowly. It's not like they let you bet huge $'s on soft lines. They open with a very small limit and let the bettors move it. Gradually the limits go up. So the bigger players are betting into sharper lines. Their profits come on the volume. Sure their hold is less than Will Hill, but I guarantee you they didn't get crushed last weekend like the vegas books did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 All fine and dandy. But smart books would allow their sharps to bet into their numbers, but limit them from gashing them. Its a no brainer. Pinnacle and Bookmaker/Cris are the two biggest books and there's a reason for it; their model is the best model. They maintain their sharp action, allow it to set the market, and have the most efficient numbers. Not sure why you're calling something that is wrong a "no brainer." Volume bet is money made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Man Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 So you put in an average of $300 a night in action those 2 weeks. I remember when i was 13 and betting. I started play at all books with limited amounts well over a decade ago. 4-5% in play nightly single game wagering NCAA hoops and Hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Would be an interesting market without those two. What would all the vegas books copy? Maybe, they'd learn how to bookmake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRevolver Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Rito, Timely, and Sinker slaying guys in here! Three sharp minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 All fine and dandy. But smart books would allow their sharps to bet into their numbers, but limit them from gashing them. Its a no brainer. I made like 80k last year at pinnacle. I bet there were thousands of people that made more. I'm not even close to showing up on their radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Man Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 All fine and dandy. But smart books would allow their sharps to bet into their numbers, but limit them from gashing them. Its a no brainer. Pinnacle welcomes arbitrage players with open arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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