Here is trumps way to get the wall up-With mexico paying!

[Guest boatboatboat]

A Look at the decades

 

 

2016 : U.S. trade in goods with Mexico

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding. Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.

 

Month	Exports	Imports	Balance
January 2016	18,065.8	22,400.7	-4,334.9
February 2016	18,226.3	23,191.8	-4,965.5
March 2016	19,338.8	24,744.1	-5,405.3
April 2016	19,385.1	25,098.4	-5,713.3
May 2016	19,040.6	24,842.5	-5,801.9
June 2016	19,556.3	24,906.6	-5,350.4
July 2016	18,303.7	23,025.9	-4,722.2
August 2016	20,282.6	25,557.2	-5,274.7
September 2016	19,845.8	25,089.1	-5,243.3
October 2016	20,211.4	26,405.4	-6,194.0
November 2016	19,592.5	25,385.5	-5,793.1
TOTAL 2016	211,848.7	270,647.2	-58,798.6

 

 

 

 

 

2006 : U.S. trade in goods with Mexico

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding. Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.

 

Month	Exports	Imports	Balance
January 2006	10,483.9	15,227.9	-4,744.0
February 2006	10,031.2	14,820.1	-4,788.9
March 2006	11,968.0	17,363.4	-5,395.5
April 2006	10,772.5	15,665.3	-4,892.8
May 2006	11,569.6	17,154.6	-5,584.9
June 2006	11,714.6	17,787.3	-6,072.8
July 2006	10,408.1	15,464.5	-5,056.4
August 2006	11,715.2	18,038.7	-6,323.5
September 2006	10,980.4	16,897.5	-5,917.1
October 2006	12,300.9	17,515.2	-5,214.3
November 2006	11,736.3	17,246.6	-5,510.3
December 2006	10,041.1	15,072.1	-5,031.0
TOTAL 2006	133,721.7	198,253.2	-64,531.4

 

 

1996 : U.S. trade in goods with Mexico

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding. Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.

Month	Exports	Imports	Balance
January 1996	4,276.4	5,607.1	-1,330.7
February 1996	4,264.7	5,582.3	-1,317.6
March 1996	4,459.3	5,700.9	-1,241.6
April 1996	4,358.7	5,993.6	-1,634.9
May 1996	4,740.4	6,419.5	-1,679.1
June 1996	4,560.4	6,166.1	-1,605.7
July 1996	4,567.1	6,040.5	-1,473.4
August 1996	4,830.1	6,471.8	-1,641.7
September 1996	4,950.0	6,497.2	-1,547.2
October 1996	5,627.2	7,116.0	-1,488.8
November 1996	5,116.0	6,603.2	-1,487.2
December 1996	5,041.3	6,099.0	-1,057.7
TOTAL 1996	56,791.6	74,297.2	-17,505.6

 

 

1986 : U.S. trade in goods with Mexico

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding. Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.

Month	Exports	Imports	Balance
January 1986	1,023.2	1,501.1	-477.9
February 1986	1,064.8	1,474.4	-409.6
March 1986	1,029.4	1,487.7	-458.3
April 1986	1,100.9	1,376.9	-276.0
May 1986	1,121.0	1,707.2	-586.2
June 1986	1,060.7	1,237.9	-177.2
July 1986	1,039.1	1,667.0	-627.9
August 1986	1,009.6	1,249.7	-240.1
September 1986	964.9	1,381.3	-416.4
October 1986	1,087.1	1,311.3	-224.2
November 1986	945.8	1,525.1	-579.3
December 1986	945.2	1,382.1	-436.9
TOTAL 1986	12,391.7	17,301.7	-4,910.0

 

[Guest boatboatboat]

Would you rather have a bowl of Guac and chips or a 6er of budweiser bottles

Guac

[Sol Aristatel]

I believe last year there was a huge thing in CA where avocado prices were going way up because the drought and the farmers were having trouble producing them because the cost. Something like that.

Thank goodness for all the rain California is getting this winter. We need our Guac.

[The Dark Man]

Sure he can; as NAFTA is written he can withdraw from NAFTA with 6 months notice. 

 

If he withdrew though, it would be a complete disaster.

 

He cannot kill the deal thought and with his country reliant on imports from both Canada and Mexico, Trump is desperate to renegotiate not pull out.

 

Trump just doesn't have the cards to play.

[Timely Hitting]

No he can't. It's law not a trade deal.

Billy, you are wrong.

 

The way NAFTA is written, you can withdraw with 6 months notice. It's a trade agreement. Let me look for the passage.

[Timely Hitting]

He cannot kill the deal thought and with his country reliant on imports from both Canada and Mexico, Trump is desperate to renegotiate not pull out.

 

Trump just doesn't have the cards to play.

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

 

Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.

[KingRevolver]

Timely and Rito killing it in here. Two great Americans.

[Sol Aristatel]

Billy, you are wrong.

Willy vs Timely. Two people that are never wrong.

 

This should be a fantastic read.

[Guest boatboatboat]

Despite the complexity of the agreement, the mechanics of withdrawing from NAFTA are simple.

Article 2205 of the agreement says: “A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months

after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the

Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.” The withdrawal process from NAFTA

is clear and uncomplicated. The deeper question is: who in the United States gets to make that

decision? Can the president, without consulting Congress, withdraw the U.S. from NAFTA simply

by dispatching a letter to Mexico and Canada and waiting six months?

[Sol Aristatel]

Timely and Rito killing it in here. Two great Americans.

Linger never even reads his own forum. DOCUMENTED.

 

No credibility with this Linger guy.

[Timely Hitting]

Willy vs Timely. Two people that are never wrong.

 

This should be a fantastic read.

Does it bother you that I present actual facts and evidence for my statements unlike your typical arguments? 

 

I know, this is probably another thread you didn't read you just jumped in to participate but you "have no clue what was said or is going on." 

[FISHHEAD]

Indonesia

 

......and they are a great country

[Timely Hitting]

Despite the complexity of the agreement, the mechanics of withdrawing from NAFTA are simple.

Article 2205 of the agreement says: “A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months

after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the

Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.” The withdrawal process from NAFTA

is clear and uncomplicated. The deeper question is: who in the United States gets to make that

decision? Can the president, without consulting Congress, withdraw the U.S. from NAFTA simply

by dispatching a letter to Mexico and Canada and waiting six months?

He could, but it might lead to some serious consequences for him.

[joeybagadonuts]

Watched that interview last night.

 

Absolutely pathetic. Focusing on the pics of his inauguration and pointing how many people were there.

 

I want the guy to succeed for the sake of the country but I'm starting to lose faith already

[Sol Aristatel]

Does it bother you that I present actual facts and evidence

Absolutely not. I havent read more than 2-3 lines posted from you in this thread. Don't know. Dont care.

 

That particular line quoted caught my eye.

 

I'm more concerned about our guacamole.

[ted sheckler]

Thank goodness for all the rain California is getting this winter. We need our Guac.

 

 

High five!

[Sol Aristatel]

High five!

Forum fist pump!!!

[Timely Hitting]

Absolutely not. I havent read more than 2-3 lines posted from you in this thread. Don't know. Dont care.

 

That particular line quoted caught my eye.

 

I'm more concerned about our guacamole.

LOL did I call that, or did I call that? 

[Timely Hitting]

Does it bother you that I present actual facts and evidence for my statements unlike your typical arguments? 

 

I know, this is probably another thread you didn't read you just jumped in to participate but you "have no clue what was said or is going on." 

[Guest boatboatboat]

So can a U.S. president terminate NAFTA? A definitive answer is not possible. There are simply

too many variables and too many unknowns. More remarkable, however, is that the answer is

not a simple “no” and that there are plenty of good reasons to think that such power really does

rest with the president

[Sol Aristatel]

I present actual facts and evidence for my statements unlike your typical arguments?

 

Yeah. Like that helps.

 

I once provided definitions of two words/terms that proved my point. As well as historical pieces. But Meriam Webster wasn't good enough for you.

 

Timely's opinion TRUMPS facts in his mind. DOCUMENTED.

[Cop]

As reported yesterday, Mexico is not at all looking forward to starting the process of renegotiating NAFTA with Donald Trump, explicitly warning the US that "there are very clear red lines that must be drawn from the start." What these lines are will be explained by Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo and Foreign Affairs Secretary Luis Videgaray who are both meeting with US officials in Washington on Wednesday and Thursday, setting the stage with next week's visit from Mexico President Enrique Pena Nieto.

 

Only, Enrique Pena Nieto may not even come, because according to an AP report late on Wednesday, the Mexican President is rethinking his scheduled meeting with President Trump next week. Peña Nieto may scrap the planned Jan. 31 huddle because of Trump’s executive order authorizing the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, AP added. The AP confirmed with a Mexican official in Mexico City that Peña Nieto is “considering” cancelling the rendezvous.

 

And while subsequently Bloomberg reported that Nieto will visit the US as planned after all, the fury in Mexico is palpable and the Mexico News Daily reported that Trump’s border wall order sparked fierce backlash among Mexican lawmakers. The National Action Party’s Margareta Zavala called Trump’s order “an offense to Mexico” ahead of Peña Nieto’s trip. Jorge Castaneda, who served as secretary under former Mexican President Vicente Fox, also blasted the measure Wednesday. “This is an insult to those Mexican officials, to the president of Mexico and to all Mexicans,” he said, referencing two Mexican officials who met Trump administration staff on Wednesday.

 

“It’s a way of making them negotiate under threat, under insults, and it should lead Peña Nieto to cancel his trip next week,” Castaneda added during a television interview. "Peña [Nieto] is a weak president in a weak country at a weak moment, but he has to find a way to get some official backbone.”

 

 

* * *

 

 

But while Mexico's anger at the US is understandable, maybe the US' southern neighbor should be just as angry at the country that border the US to the north: the third member of NAFTA, Canada.

 

Canada will focus on preserving its U.S. trade ties during talks to renegotiate NAFTA and may not be able to help Mexico avoid being targeted by the Trump administration, Canadian government sources say.

 

"We love our Mexican friends. But our national interests come first and the friendship comes second," a source said on the sidelines of a cabinet retreat in Calgary, Alberta. "The two are not mutually exclusive," the source added.

 

In other words, when it comes to preserving NAFTA, it's important, but what is more important is being on good enough terms with Trump to be able to cobble together a bilateral treaty should NAFTA fail.

 

As Reuters reports, the comments are some of the starkest yet by Canadian officials, "who are increasingly convinced Mexico will suffer the most damage from changes to the North American Free Trade Agreement."

 

* * *

 

Of course, the reason why both Mexico and Canada are on edge, and why their superficial friendship is about to collapse, is because on Sunday Trump said he planned talks soon to begin renegotiating NAFTA, under which Canada and Mexico send most of their exports to the United States. The Canadian sources stress Ottawa has not taken any final decision on how to approach the NAFTA talks, since Trump's opening stance is largely unknown.

 

For now the government's official stance is to dismiss the idea that Canada will formally abandon Mexico. Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said on Tuesday that Canada supported NAFTA as a trilateral agreement and noted that Trudeau had talked to Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto over the weekend.

[Guest boatboatboat]

I'm more concerned about our guacamole.

Not often

 

But from time to time

 

DIBS GETS IT!!!

[Sol Aristatel]

Where did Willy go? Timely shut him up with that beat down?

[Guest boatboatboat]

yes we know you are Pulling for 8 years of Trump

I want the guy to succeed