sleepy Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Now they postpone the Lakers game on Tuesday...wtf? No other teams postponed their games. Its tiring Kobe Kobe Kobe just non stop sick of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Landers Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Agreed with sleepy Fuck all this Did the Yankees skip more than a single game when Thurman Munson died IN season and as an ACTIVE player? Enough already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Espn guys crying at the sports desk NBA canceling games Guy didn't even play anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Espn guys crying at the sports desk NBA canceling games Guy didn't even play anymoreI think they have to do that, if they dont they might get fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Agreed with sleepy Fuck all this More interested in the other passengers than Kobe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 More interested in the other passengers than KobeThey are dead too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 More interested in the other passengers than KobeI agree, they put their trust and faith in him that his helicopter was safe, and his pilot qualified, you could say that Kobe is responsible for their deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKolzig Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 mikemann loves to argue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I agree, they put their trust and faith in him that his helicopter was safe, and his pilot qualified, you could say that Kobe is responsible for their deaths.The NTSB press conference is now. I'll bet on pilot error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 mikemann loves to argue you would think after getting his ass handed to him on trump he would stop this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 The NTSB press conference is now. I'll bet on pilot error. I watched pretty much all those maydays on Nat Geo and at least 90% of crashes were pilot error and training issues One clown even opened the landing gear while taxing on the strip destroying a multimillion dollar plane and did not get his license yanked away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 mikemann loves to argueSorta. i think it's important to have diversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Paddy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I agree, they put their trust and faith in him that his helicopter was safe, and his pilot qualified, you could say that Kobe is responsible for their deaths.That is a reasonable view. In fact, his insurance will pay out big time on this. There may be another causal factor in that the circumstances were such that the owner (Bryant) was putting pressure on the pilot to make it to whatever event they had in Calabasas. Dead man talking on this video, which is spliced audio and the Mode C coming up to Burbank, the hold for special VFR clearance, the manouevering around Van Nuys, ;and then fucking off and dropping out of sight and losing radar contact. Is seems he was at 1400 ASL for the whole time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVA3k02lMe8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 That is a reasonable view. In fact, his insurance will pay out big time on this. There may be another causal factor in that the circumstances were such that the owner (Bryant) was putting pressure on the pilot to make it to whatever event they had in Calabasas. Dead man talking on this video, which is spliced audio and the Mode C coming up to Burbank, the hold for special VFR clearance, the manouevering around Van Nuys, ;and then fucking off and dropping out of sight and losing radar contact. Is seems he was at 1400 ASL for the whole time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVA3k02lMe8Listening to one of those audio transcripts of the flight, it sounded like at one point he said visbility was 2500 ft, later the controller said it was 1500 ft at an airport(or waypoint), so it wasn't foggy the whole way(apparently). when they took off it was probably reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 It was a terrible tragedy for everyone. Sad part is the fact that if Kobe and his daughter weren't on that copter we wouldn't be even talking about it. Sucks for the families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Landers Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Paddy I'm impressed with your knowledge. Thanks for the intricate details. It seems Kobe's attitude of fuck all obstacles was his calling here and responsibility for everyone's death. Dollars to donuts he was as overconfident as can be in the pilot and the copters capabilities. Just a feeling that all played the key ingredient in these people's untimely deaths. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 That is a reasonable view. In fact, his insurance will pay out big time on this. There may be another causal factor in that the circumstances were such that the owner (Bryant) was putting pressure on the pilot to make it to whatever event they had in Calabasas. Dead man talking on this video, which is spliced audio and the Mode C coming up to Burbank, the hold for special VFR clearance, the manouevering around Van Nuys, ;and then fucking off and dropping out of sight and losing radar contact. Is seems he was at 1400 ASL for the whole time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVA3k02lMe8Kobe and his wife had a pact that only one could take the helicopter. From the NTSB newsconference - the point of impact was 1085 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 PaddyI'm impressed with your knowledge.Thanks for the intricate details.It seems Kobe's attitude of fuck all obstacles was his calling here and responsibility for everyone's death.Dollars to donuts he was as overconfident as can be in the pilot and the copters capabilities.Just a feeling that all played the key ingredient in these people's untimely deaths.Thoughts?The pilot has the final say. Lots of pilots cancel the trip and are advised of weather conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdalert447 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Kobe must’ve really pissed of the Clintons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRevolver Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 The pilot has the final say. Lots of pilots cancel the trip and are advised of weather conditions.The brains on this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajt Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Espn guys crying at the sports desk NBA canceling games Guy didn't even play anymoreNone of the current Lakers were even teammates with him except Dwight Howard, and Kobe hated him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVU Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I notice opposing players being extra nice and even helping each other off the floor in various games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 here's a good article i found... The pilot then asked for air traffic controllers to provide “flight following” radar assistance but was told the craft was too low for that assistance, Homendy said.About four minutes later, “the pilot advised they were climbing to avoid a cloud layer,” she said. “When ATC asked what the pilot planned to do, there was no reply. Radar data indicates the helicopter climbed to 2,300 feet (701 meters) and then began a left descending turn. Last radar contact was around 9:45 a.m.”Two minutes later, someone on the ground called 911 to report the crash.Randy Waldman, a helicopter flight instructor who teaches at the nearby Van Nuys airport, said a disoriented pilot might have only moments to avoid a fatal dive.“If you’re flying visually, if you get caught in a situation where you can’t see out the windshield, the life expectancy of the pilot and the aircraft is maybe 10, 15 seconds, and it happens all the time, and it’s really a shame,” Waldman said.Some experts raised questions of whether the helicopter should have even been flying. The weather was so foggy that the Los Angeles Police Department and the county sheriff’s department had grounded their own choppers.Crews recovered three bodies on Sunday and resumed the effort on Monday amid an outpouring of grief and shock around the world over the loss of the basketball great who helped lead the Los Angeles Lakers to five NBA titles during his dazzling 20-year career.The pilot was identified as Ara Zobayan. Several aviation experts said it is not uncommon for helicopter pilots to be given such permission, though some thought it unusual that it would be granted in airspace as busy as that over Los Angeles.But Kurt Deetz, who flew for Bryant dozens of times in the same chopper that went down, said permission is often granted in the area.“It happened all the time in the winter months in LA,” Deetz said. “You get fog.”The helicopter left Santa Ana in Orange County, south of Los Angeles, shortly after 9 a.m., heading north and then west. Bryant was believed to be headed for his youth sports academy in nearby Thousand Oaks, which was holding a basketball tournament Sunday in which Bryant’s daughter, known as Gigi, was competing.Air traffic controllers noted poor visibility around Burbank to the north and Van Nuys to the northwest. At one point, the controllers instructed the chopper to circle because of other planes in the area before proceeding.The aircraft crashed in Calabasas, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles. When it struck the ground, it was flying at about 184 mph (296 mph) and descending at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute, according to data from Flightradar24.Waldman said the same thing happened to John F. Kennedy Jr. when his plane dropped out of the sky near Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, in 1999.“A lot of times somebody who’s doing it for a living is pressured to get their client to where they have to go,” Waldman said. “They take chances that maybe they shouldn’t take.”Bryant had been known since his playing days for taking helicopters instead of braving the notoriously snarled Los Angeles traffic. “I’m not going into LA without the Mamba chopper,” he joked on “Jimmy Kimmel Live” in 2018, referring to his own nickname, Black Mamba.David Hoeppner, an expert on helicopter design, said he won’t fly on helicopters.“Part of it is the way they certify and design these things,” said Hoeppner, a retired engineering professor at the University of Utah. “But the other part is helicopter pilots often fly in conditions where they shouldn’t be flying.”Jerry Kidrick, a retired Army colonel who flew helicopters in Iraq and now teaches at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona, said the helicopter’s rapid climb and fast descent suggest the pilot was disoriented.When that happens, he said, pilots must instantly switch from visual cues to flying the aircraft using only the machine’s instruments.“It’s one of the most dangerous conditions you can be in,” Kidrick said. “Oftentimes, your body is telling you something different than what the instruments are telling you. You can feel like you’re leaning to the left or the right when you’re not. If the pilot isn’t trained well enough to believe the instruments, you get in a panic situation.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Hustle Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Espn guys crying at the sports desk NBA canceling games Guy didn't even play anymore I think they have to do that, if they dont they might get fired. yeah reminds me of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Paddy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 There is some reason to think this thing came apart in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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