Kobe?

[The X]

Meatballs don't bounce.

[D-Hustle]

helicopters are dangerous

[FairWarning]

Is it too early to have Kobe Fatigue?

[Moldoveanu]

lots of famous or rich guys either die in their choppers or small planes just sad  i dont know why they even decided to land if the visibility was that bad unless there was something wrong with the chopper the witnesses said the visibility was really low and the clouds were not far above the ground 

[D-Hustle]

coal billionaire chris cline and his daughter died over the summer.  that Asian billionaire businessman that owned Leicester city died in 2018.  these rich fucks should think twice before getting into a chopper.  I think trump doesn't ride them anymore.  the Asian guy took off spun around and crashed just crazy.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cline#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichai_Srivaddhanaprabha#Death

[D-Hustle]

RIP Kobe.  your life was better than 99.999% of people so congrats.  you caught so many breaks it's unbelievable.  my life sucks and I can't do a damn thing about it.  #nobreaks

[Dr. Paddy]

The link below is an interview with an eyewitness (or earwitness) right on the sight. I usually pay no attention to non pilot witnesses, but this is the best eyewitness evidence I have ever heard in any case.

 

From this, it is most likely that the pilot (who was a helicopter instructor and had 20 years of experience flying them) arrived at the destination (this town) and found conditions he did not expect. Instead of turning around, he tried to land somewhere near where they were all going. I expect a school yard as there is no airport near. 

This helicopter had all the bells and whistles. It would have had what we call a glass cockpit. That is to say that all the gauges and instruments were electronically displayed on glass screens, rather than the old dials (steam gauges). It would have had a three axis autopilot that controlled pitch, roll, and yaw, the elemental movements of any aircraft. He was in cloud as he passed over the witness, so he had to be on autopilot. You can't hand fly a helicopter for very long as they are so unstable, unlike an airplane. In these circumstances, this pilot was in violation of federal regulations requiring that he have at least one mile forward visibility and a ceiling of 1000 feet. He didn't have that. If he did, they would all be alive now. 

The glass cockpit would have included synthetic terrain, so that even though he may not have been able to see the ground, he had a very realistic representation of where he was, and what was around him, in a 3D type view generated by combining GPS and very accurate maps and representations of the hills, roads, obstacles, etc. The second link below is of a likely virtual terrain screen that the glass cockpit would have as a selectable option by the pilot. (sometimes it displays other things).

 

The witness says that he estimated the speed of the chopper at 3 to 4 miles per hour as it passed over him. I would expect that in the circumstances. He says that it appears ground impact occurred just as the machine descended below the cloud deck. He didn't see that, but based his judgment on where the clouds were and where the wreckage was found.  Personally, I think that if the pilot saw the ground, he would have reacted instantly to avoid contact. So he may have hit the obstacle while still in cloud but almost out of it. 

There was only a thump and the sound of fibreglass breaking. It seems the rotor blades did not separate. Those are very strong structures, and there is enormous torque being generated. That has two results. They both come from the machine and its structures experiencing the same torque in the opposite direction, transmitted by the rotor mast down to the combining gearbox (transmission) and to the two engines. Necks are instantly snapped in the cabin and cockpit. The transmission and engines break from their mounts, spinning down into the cabin and horrifically mutilating the dead or dying passengers. Fuel lines separate and spew under pressure from the fuel pumps. One or both of the hot sections rupture and fire exits the burner can (the power turbines) at very high temperature and the aircraft explodes. All of this takes place win two seconds from first rotor impact. 

Before that, nobody knows anything is wrong. There is no reason to jump from the helicopter or even contemplate that. 

I believe you were a Trump and Meatman supporter, Barry. Your quality of reasoning behind those absurd conclusions seems to carry forward into your suggestion that somebody should jump from a helicopter. Myles Elsing's case was a one in a million thing, probably brought on by previously thinking about what he would do if he thought he was going to burn to death. 

The eyewitness report

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8

 

Synthetic vision

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnvFvGuJ4wM

[Dr. Paddy]

It's important to remember all the people who lost their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSmNP3woow

[mikeman]

The link below is an interview with an eyewitness (or earwitness) right on the sight. I usually pay no attention to non pilot witnesses, but this is the best eyewitness evidence I have ever heard in any case.

 

From this, it is most likely that the pilot (who was a helicopter instructor and had 20 years of experience flying them) arrived at the destination (this town) and found conditions he did not expect. Instead of turning around, he tried to land somewhere near where they were all going. I expect a school yard as there is no airport near. 

 

This helicopter had all the bells and whistles. It would have had what we call a glass cockpit. That is to say that all the gauges and instruments were electronically displayed on glass screens, rather than the old dials (steam gauges). It would have had a three axis autopilot that controlled pitch, roll, and yaw, the elemental movements of any aircraft. He was in cloud as he passed over the witness, so he had to be on autopilot. You can't hand fly a helicopter for very long as they are so unstable, unlike an airplane. In these circumstances, this pilot was in violation of federal regulations requiring that he have at least one mile forward visibility and a ceiling of 1000 feet. He didn't have that. If he did, they would all be alive now. 

 

The glass cockpit would have included synthetic terrain, so that even though he may not have been able to see the ground, he had a very realistic representation of where he was, and what was around him, in a 3D type view generated by combining GPS and very accurate maps and representations of the hills, roads, obstacles, etc. The second link below is of a likely virtual terrain screen that the glass cockpit would have as a selectable option by the pilot. (sometimes it displays other things).

 

The witness says that he estimated the speed of the chopper at 3 to 4 miles per hour as it passed over him. I would expect that in the circumstances. He says that it appears ground impact occurred just as the machine descended below the cloud deck. He didn't see that, but based his judgment on where the clouds were and where the wreckage was found.  Personally, I think that if the pilot saw the ground, he would have reacted instantly to avoid contact. So he may have hit the obstacle while still in cloud but almost out of it. 

 

There was only a thump and the sound of fibreglass breaking. It seems the rotor blades did not separate. Those are very strong structures, and there is enormous torque being generated. That has two results. They both come from the machine and its structures experiencing the same torque in the opposite direction, transmitted by the rotor mast down to the combining gearbox (transmission) and to the two engines. Necks are instantly snapped in the cabin and cockpit. The transmission and engines break from their mounts, spinning down into the cabin and horrifically mutilating the dead or dying passengers. Fuel lines separate and spew under pressure from the fuel pumps. One or both of the hot sections rupture and fire exits the burner can (the power turbines) at very high temperature and the aircraft explodes. All of this takes place win two seconds from first rotor impact. 

 

Before that, nobody knows anything is wrong. There is no reason to jump from the helicopter or even contemplate that. 

 

I believe you were a Trump and Meatman supporter, Barry. Your quality of reasoning behind those absurd conclusions seems to carry forward into your suggestion that somebody should jump from a helicopter. Myles Elsing's case was a one in a million thing, probably brought on by previously thinking about what he would do if he thought he was going to burn to death. 

 

The eyewitness report

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8

 

Synthetic vision

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnvFvGuJ4wM

How come they're saying that the helicopter was going 180 MPH and was rapidly descending when it hit?

[FairWarning]

Interesting take there Paddy.  

[Dr. Paddy]

How come they're saying that the helicopter was going 180 MPH and was rapidly descending when it hit?

It almost seems like you were a witness, applying the same love of truthfulness you demonstrate in every post here. 

 

That helicopter doesn't make 180. Nobody saw it crash. It didn't make contact where it lays, but close to there, and probably higher up the slope based on all the scattered papers above and to the right of where most video shows the main body of wreckage in three chunks...passenger cabin, tunnel back to the tail fin and rotor, and the fin seperated and lying about 50 yards away. 

 

A helicopter going 5 mph forward and level would produce the same result.

[Dr. Paddy]

A couple of hours ago, this update from CNN.

 

A special VFR clearance only applies in control zones. If the weather was the same at all the airports from John Wayne up past LAX, Santa Monica, Burbank, he would have had to get special at every one. You can't get special where there is an IFR flight also in the control zone. There is no control zone at the crash site, so he had to maintain 1000 and 3. He didn't. Despite that, the pictures show weather that seems to be flyable in a chopper, given that they can land and end the flight almost anywhere if problems arise. 
 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/27/us/calabasas-helicopter-crash-kobe-bryant-monday/index.html

[mikeman]

It almost seems like you were a witness, applying the same love of truthfulness you demonstrate in every post here. 

 

That helicopter doesn't make 180. Nobody saw it crash. It didn't make contact where it lays, but close to there, and probably higher up the slope based on all the scattered papers above and to the right of where most video shows the main body of wreckage in three chunks...passenger cabin, tunnel back to the tail fin and rotor, and the fin seperated and lying about 50 yards away. 

 

A helicopter going 5 mph forward and level would produce the same result.

 

The helicopter was then handed off to a controller at the Van Nuys Airport, who handled the aircraft's transition to the west along the 118 highway.

The pilot later sought permission to start turning to the southwest toward the 101 highway. That request was granted – but controllers then lost radio contact with the aircraft. And soon afterwards, radar contact was also lost.

In the flight's final moments, the helicopter was flying between 120 and 160 knots. The aircraft then started flying faster and descending very rapidly – in excess of 5,000 feet per minute. The last flight data received from the helicopter was at 9:45 a.m., 39 minutes after it took off.

 

 

Here's what is being reported, is this accurate or not?

[KingRevolver]

The name Kobe going to be very popular now.

[mikeman]

But in the final moments of its flight, the helicopter abruptly veered to the south, tracing a path along Las Virgenes Road in Calabasas.

At the time, Zobayan had been cleared to fly under “special visual flight rules,” or SVFR, to proceed in conditions worse than those allowed under standard visual flight rules, or VFR.

Zobayan climbed to 2,000 feet at a speed of 185 miles per hour, only to abruptly drop at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute.

The flight’s tracking suddenly ends at 9:45 a.m.

[sleepy]

getting tired of all the kobe bullshit

 

might have to stay offline and not watch sports for a few days

[housepicks]

Everybody knows everything except for what happened.

 

 

Morons.

[Dr. Paddy]

I used to live in La Jolla and did a lot of flying in that area, particularly to visit friends up around San Luis Obispo, Avila Beach, and Morro Bay. I know the terrain, and I know that at low altitudes you are not visible on radar, even with a transponder. In order for an outside agency to know the "facts" you seem to think are important, Merlin, the radar screens would have to see both groundspeed and altitude data from a Mode C (gives altitude and groundspeed). They had not seen that for some time after the aircraft cleared special passing through Burbank's control zone. There is no such thing as special VFR along a highway. If that is reported, it is wrong as you can't get special VFR outside a control zone, and you don't need it. Helicopters have lower minimums than fixed wing because slow down and stop in the air. So special clearance may be different for choppers and airplanes, but it is ultimately dictated by the weather and the need to be able to see the ground and things ahead for some distance. In order to know the weather, you have to have a means of weather observation. All control zones have that, so they know whether it is VFR, below VFR but above special, or strictly IFR.  There is no weather observer anywhere's near Calabasas, and no control zone there. So nobody has any evidence of either altitude, flight regime, or speed. The only evidence is that of the observer in the link above. He said the helicopter was going under 5 mph and just above him in the clag. The wreckage bears out a low speed contact between the rotor and the terrain or some man made structure. 

The top speed of the S76 is 155 knots or 170 mph. It doesn't climb at anywhere near 185 miles per hour. In a helicopter, the top speed is governed by the need to avoid retreating blade stall. If the chopper goes faster than that, it reduces the speed of the retreating blade through the airflow to the point there that side of the disk stalls on left side, and greater lift is achieved on the other side and the disk goes out of balance and rolls uncontrollably and shudders the machine. That didn't happen here. 

The observer on the YouTube link paints a very accurate picture consistent with what is known about weather and the wreckage. 

[Dr. Paddy]

Everybody knows everything except for what happened.

 

 

Morons.

I'm pretty sure most helicopter pilots know very well what happened. 

[Dr. Paddy]

Just a small correction. You can get special along a highway, if the highway happens to be in a control zone. In fact, your clearance may include something like "Follow Hwy X until airport in sight"

[FairWarning]

I'm pretty sure most helicopter pilots know very well what happened.

This

[housepicks]

I doubt it.

[The X]

I can't believe it's not butter.

[ajt]

getting tired of all the kobe bullshit

 

might have to stay offline and not watch sports for a few days

Now they postpone the Lakers game on Tuesday...wtf?  No other teams postponed their games.

[KingKolzig]