MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, tailsyoulose said: Seems you cant say a single bad thing about him. I blame the appropriate party for their corresponding actions. You should give a try some time. Although, you might actually have to have a clue what you're talking about before you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 I've been critical of Trump where he deserves it. This is not it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Part of being Commander-in-Chief is having to own the fuckups. Biden owns the withdrawal fiasco. The war belongs to Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. The civilians falling from C-17s belong to Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said: I blame the appropriate party for their corresponding actions. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Most likely scenario I can put together in retrospect is this: Afghan cawksuker president lies to our president in the oval office. Tells him that he's not going anywhere and there are 300k troops ready to fight. Our president knows this guy is full of shit. Knows that the puppet government stands no chance. But his judgement tells him that at least they will be able to fight off the Taliban for a few months. That the fall won't happen overnight, buying us time for a measured withdrawal that doesn't look hasty. None of that pans out though, and instead everything goes to shit pancakes in two days. Now if that's how it actually went down, you can blame Bidens judgement for not correctly determining how weak the government really was. Ok fine. But I fail to understand how it's somehow even remotely close to the fault of that cawksuker afghan president, who lied through his teeth and abandoned his own people. What about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 That's exactly what happened. Just two days ago, Biden said it wasn't going to be like Vietnam where they were airlifting people out of the U.S. Embassy. But he was COMPLETELY wrong. They had to airlift people out of the embassy. You don't take someone's word for anything when people's lives are on the line especially the way the rest of the country was already collapsing. Again, Trump knew the Taliban were the people that needed to be negotiated with. Biden had no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jimmy Hoffa said: Part of being Commander-in-Chief is having to own the fuckups. Biden owns the withdrawal fiasco. The war belongs to Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. The civilians falling from C-17s belong to Joe. Fair enough for me. That's part of being a leader. You make the calls, and have no way of knowing beforehand if you'll be right. What you absolutely DONT do is pass off ownership of those decisions to someone else. Biden did this a little bit in his speech when he brought up trump, but 90% of that speech was ownership of his call. I respect that more than Trump sending out shitbird emails gloating about the shitty (foregone conclusion) outcome that he avoided pulling the trigger on himself for four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Thinking back now... The difference between this withdrawal and Vietnam was the conduct of the defending soldiers. We armed and trained the South Vietnamese just like the Afghans. The South Vietnamese however chose to fight for their country. They were of course eventually overrun, but they went down with a fight. The cowardly and dishonorable conduct of the Afghan army is truly remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimmy Hoffa said: Thinking back now... The difference between this withdrawal and Vietnam was the conduct of the defending soldiers. We armed and trained the South Vietnamese just like the Afghans. The South Vietnamese however chose to fight for their country. They were of course eventually overrun, but they went down with a fight. The cowardly and dishonorable conduct of the Afghan army is truly remarkable. Jimmy gets it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Hoffa said: Thinking back now... The difference between this withdrawal and Vietnam was the conduct of the defending soldiers. We armed and trained the South Vietnamese just like the Afghans. The South Vietnamese however chose to fight for their country. They were of course eventually overrun, but they went down with a fight. The cowardly and dishonorable conduct of the Afghan army is truly remarkable. Shows just how much we were actually wanted in Afghanistan to the rest of the world. And that's something that Biden never understood. Even when it was already too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, tailsyoulose said: Fair enough for me. That's part of being a leader. You make the calls, and have no way of knowing beforehand if you'll be right. What you absolutely DONT do is pass off ownership of those decisions to someone else. Biden did this a little bit in his speech when he brought up trump, but 90% of that speech was ownership of his call. I respect that more than Trump sending out shitbird emails gloating about the shitty (foregone conclusion) outcome that he avoided pulling the trigger on himself for four years. oh Tails....TDS supreme giving Biden credit for anything....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, tailsyoulose said: Jimmy gets it Jimmy is getting high and playing Xbox.......he has long since given up....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Fair enough for me. That's part of being a leader. You make the calls, and have no way of knowing beforehand if you'll be right. What you absolutely DONT do is pass off ownership of those decisions to someone else. Biden did this a little bit in his speech when he brought up trump, but 90% of that speech was ownership of his call. I respect that more than Trump sending out shitbird emails gloating about the shitty (foregone conclusion) outcome that he avoided pulling the trigger on himself for four years. Biden did that a little bit? He blamed Trump, the Afghans, the Afghan President, etc. Pretty much everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Biden did that a little bit? He blamed Trump, the Afghans, the Afghan President, etc. Pretty much everyone else. Sure. And he also specifically owned it. Numerous times. His "blame" of the afghan leader and the failure of their army is not blame so much as it is simply the truth. And Americans needed to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, tailsyoulose said: Sure.cand he also specifically owned it. Numerous times. His blame of the afghan leader and the failure of their army is not blame - it is simply the truth. And Americans needed to hear it. Again. He had absolutely no foresight of that or contingency plan. And he cost people their lives because of it. Scorpion and the frog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 You have no way of knowing if MORE lives would have been lost under trump's plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Pulling the plug in advance could have caused an even worse slaughter. You can't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, tailsyoulose said: You have no way of knowing if MORE lives would have been lost under trump's plan. Why would that ever matter? Trump's plan wasn't the one enacted. You can "what if" all you want. That's just a stupid circle jerk. Have fun with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 We really haven't looked this foolish since Jimmy Carter's Iranian Desert Disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, Jimmy Hoffa said: We really haven't looked this foolish since Jimmy Carter's Iranian Desert Disaster. This administration has SO MANY parallels to the Carter Presidency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Here's a test: monkey, who is more to blame for this situation - Biden, or the cawksucker afghan president? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Hoffa Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, MonkeyF0cker said: This administration has SO MANY parallels to the Carter Presidency. Inflation Unemployment Military cowardice Global weakness So many more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, tailsyoulose said: Here's a test: monkey, who is more to blame for this situation - Biden, or the cawksucker afghan president? Biden is. The Afghan President isn't the one responsible for American lives. How do you not understand this shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, Jimmy Hoffa said: Inflation Unemployment Military cowardice Global weakness So many more... Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, MonkeyF0cker said: Biden is. The Afghan President isn't the one responsible for American lives. How do you not understand this shit? The Americans are all gonna get out bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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