MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Bidens decision deferring to the afghan leadership WAS bad. Correct. But jfc it was going to be an equal shitshow no matter what. Of you can't see that I can't help you. Monkey - serious question - WHY DIDNT TRUMP DO THIS BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE Again. So you're claiming that nobody would have ever thought to evacuate people before withdrawing the troops? That's the dumbest assumption I've ever heard. And it's the dumbest wartime decision a President has ever made. Maybe Trump wanted time to get people out before withdrawing the troops? Is that a possibility? Maybe he wanted to do it in his second term where the liberals and liberal media wouldn't crucify him for the obvious - that Afghanistan would go back to the Taliban. The Trump negotiation wasn't a stick-it-to-Biden plan. That was negotiated WELL BEFORE the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 I did. Learn how to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Ok. "Maybe he wanted to do it in his second term where the liberals and liberal media wouldn't crucify him for the obvious - that Afghanistan would go back to the Taliban." That's a yes then. He's a fucking coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Should have done it on day one. Didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts179 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Again. So you're claiming that nobody would have ever thought to evacuate people before withdrawing the troops? That's the dumbest assumption I've ever heard. And it's the dumbest wartime decision a President has ever made. Maybe Trump wanted time to get people out before withdrawing the troops? Is that a possibility? Maybe he wanted to do it in his second term where the liberals and liberal media wouldn't crucify him for the obvious - that Afghanistan would go back to the Taliban. The Trump negotiation wasn't a stick-it-to-Biden plan. That was negotiated WELL BEFORE the election. its pretty simple. for some reason he wanted this chaos. the balls on him to say the arghan army was pussies after they have lost 50,000 men the last 5 years alone is the greatest example of misinformation ive ever heard. this guy lies every single time he holds a speach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzmocashzz Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 i think the afghans should of went for a all female army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Ok. "Maybe he wanted to do it in his second term where the liberals and liberal media wouldn't crucify him for the obvious - that Afghanistan would go back to the Taliban." That's a yes then. He's a fucking coward. There's more than one maybe there, but you're hung up on one without knowing the answer. That's not critical thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 I've seen enough of old Donny. Glad he at least set the poison plan in motion. But he can go fuck himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Now those are the facts. From the only guy at TGF who isn't a mindless partisan robot. All HAil the book of TAils..He is superior in every way to the mindless hacks here How much money does it cost you to spend time with us peons and dish out your worldly knowledge Great sacrifice......give this man his proper dues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, tailsyoulose said: I've seen enough of old Donny. Glad he at least set the poison plan in motion. But he can go fuck himself. So you're going to make assumptions based on zero evidence and blame Trump for a withdrawal plan that wasn't his at all. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Trump was the only one to talk to the Taliban. Just yesterday Biden was claiming that the Afghans were going to defend Kabul. But it was Trump who got it wrong? He's as much to blame as Biden for what happened? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Trump was the only one to talk to the Taliban. Just yesterday Biden was claiming that the Afghans were going to defend Kabul. But it was Trump who got it wrong? He's as much to blame as Biden for what happened? Please. On this issue Biden acted more morally than Trump. Trump really only created a "deal". That means nothing unless you follow through. Biden followed through - that deserves more credit than just handing over a "plan" that the next guy can easily reneg on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: But jfc it was going to be an equal shitshow no matter what. Of you can't see that I can't help you. The old agree with my pure speculation or you are wrong trick...ICU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHHEAD Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 STOP DEFENDING THIS ABSOLUTE PIECE OF SHIT AND COMMIE BIDEN FUKSAKES WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU FUKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Trump was the only one to talk to the Taliban. Just yesterday Biden was claiming that the Afghans were going to defend Kabul. But it was Trump who got it wrong? He's as much to blame as Biden for what happened? Please. Yeah I saw all the stupid social media posts too. Bunch of women with AK-47s ready to "fight the Taliban" lmaooo. But following through takes balls and conviction. And I give credit where it's due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts179 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 a middle eastern country will never work with USA troops ever again. biden just sold them down the river so bad its not even funny. they are being murdered by the thousands right now. biden could have simply helped them get out before giving the taliban 1.4b in weapons. he didnt. no lib can justify that fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: On this issue Biden acted more morally than Trump. Trump really only created a "deal". That means nothing unless you follow through. Biden followed through - that deserves more credit than just handing over a "plan" that the next guy can easily reneg on. Executing a plan that was the worst possible outcome of that deal is not something that deserves credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: On this issue Biden acted more morally than Trump. Trump really only created a "deal". That means nothing unless you follow through. Biden followed through - that deserves more credit than just handing over a "plan" that the next guy can easily reneg on. You must have grown up with participation trophies. We've never given credit to people who fuck something up that was supposed to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 47 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Partisans can sling shit all they want. Here are the facts: trump wasn't man enough to do this on his own watch. He should have done it day one of taking office. He didn't. Can any of you Trump fans tell me why that is? I know why. At the end of the day, maybe this was the only way it was ever possible. One president on his way out the door stuffs a poison pill down the next guys throat, with two bad decisions - either pull out and own it on your legacy, or cancel the withdrawal and be the guy who made us stay forever. I don't think Biden EVER would have done this if trump hadn't forced the issue. But good on him for at least picking the correct option and getting us the hell out. As much as I hate the guy, credit where it is due. And I guess good on Trump for forcing him to do it. I guess. But he's still a pussy and a coward who only cares about himself - otherwise he'd have done it on his own term. Trump did 1000 things, and biden has or will reverse almost all of them. But now he was handcuffed by trump huh? That's really faulty logic sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MonkeyF0cker said: Executing a plan that was the worst possible outcome of that deal is not something that deserves credit. Disagree - the worst possible outcome would have been to scrap the deal and keep troops there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiseThese Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Smoke said: Contribute Subscribe NewsWorldAmericasUS politics Former Afghanistan ambassador blames Trump for Taliban resurgence The Taliban controls roughly a third As the US draws down its presence in Afghanistan, Taliban militants have recaptured a third of the country, and the former US ambassador says Donald Trump bears a large share of the blame. “We bear a major responsibility for this,” Ryan Crocker, former US ambassador to Afghanistan, told CNN on Thursday. “It began under President Trump when he authorised negotiations between the US and the Taliban without the Afghan government in the room. That was a key Taliban demand, and we acceded to it, and it was a huge demoralizing factor for the Afghan government and its security focus.” The dire assessment comes as the militant force has taken back large portions of the country. The Taliban controlled 12 of the country’s 34 provincial capitals as of Friday, as well as Kandahar, the second largest city in the country. In 2019, as part of peace negotiations with the Taliban that didn’t include the Afghan government, the US agreed to release large numbers of Taliban prisoners if the group stopped attacking US forces. In February of the following year, the Trump administration announced a fuller peace deal, which traded a US withdrawal by May 2021 for the group agreeing not to harbour extremist groups like Al Qaeda. The Biden administration reviewed the deal, and pushed back the removal date of US troops to September. How much you guys banging this moron for in JF Fishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, mikeman said: Trump did 1000 things, and biden has or will reverse almost all of them. But now he was handcuffed by trump huh? That's really faulty logic sir. No - trump handcuffed him with two politically bad choices. And he chose the one that was in the best interest of Americans, rather than the best interest of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, tailsyoulose said: Disagree - the worst possible outcome would have been to scrap the deal and keep troops there. Trump's negotiation forced him to do it. But you're blaming Trump for Biden's execution. You seem to be lost in your own faulty logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, MonkeyF0cker said: Trump forced him to do it. But you're blaming Trump for Biden's execution. You seem to be lost in your own faulty logic. Reread my posts. Trump did NOT force him to do it (that's why he's a pussy). Trump gave him two bad options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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